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 422 2014-12-12 10:40:21 <jtimon> sipa not sure if a conclusion was reached
 423 2014-12-12 10:40:21 <jtimon> re: "sipa wonders whether libsecp256k1 should 1) have an API where the nonce is passed in explicitly (as now) 2) an API where you pass in a bunch of function pointers to compute the nonce 3) have built-in SHA256 RFC6979 as the only way of computing the nonce"
 424 2014-12-12 10:40:37 <sipa> i'm still unsure
 425 2014-12-12 10:41:13 <jtimon> I think I would prefer it implemented like 2 (in case we need something more generic later) but just expose 3 for now
 426 2014-12-12 10:42:01 <jtimon> so "3 using 2 under the hood"
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 430 2014-12-12 10:44:08 <jtimon> I mean 2 may already be useful for different sighashes
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 432 2014-12-12 10:44:57 <gwillen> to what extent is this library intended for use by noncryptographers
 433 2014-12-12 10:45:04 <sipa> this is for the computation of the nonce
 434 2014-12-12 10:45:10 <sipa> not the sighash
 435 2014-12-12 10:45:14 <gwillen> if the answer is yes, allowing them to pass a nonce in is perhaps dangerous
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 438 2014-12-12 10:46:31 <sipa> gwillen: i wouldn't say intended, but ot's proba ly inevitable
 439 2014-12-12 10:46:39 * gwillen nods
 440 2014-12-12 10:46:48 <sipa> jtimon: 3) meams code duplication
 441 2014-12-12 10:47:02 <jtimon> oh, forget about my last ccomment then
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 444 2014-12-12 10:47:38 <jtimon> how code duplication if you implement it via 2 ?
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 447 2014-12-12 10:47:54 <sipa> as it meams libsecp needs to gain a hash function/ hmac / rfc6979 implementation
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 449 2014-12-12 10:48:19 <gwillen> that seems like the sort of thing you write once and never modify, in which case duplication is less terrible than it could be
 450 2014-12-12 10:48:21 <sipa> the only way to avoid that.is to pass in a fp to do those, which means 2
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 452 2014-12-12 10:49:15 <jtimon> and can't you implement an interface that just passes the same fp all the time?
 453 2014-12-12 10:49:26 <jtimon> but from outside looks like 3?
 454 2014-12-12 10:49:33 <gwillen> well, the question then is how you stop someone from passing their own fp
 455 2014-12-12 10:49:41 <sipa> jtimon: that is 2)
 456 2014-12-12 10:49:58 <sipa> not sure which "outside" you are talking about
 457 2014-12-12 10:50:06 <gwillen> there's a time-honored approach there, which is to give the fp a dummy parameter with a type named something like "DONT_BE_AN_IDIOT"
 458 2014-12-12 10:50:08 <sipa> the hash function has to be somewhere
 459 2014-12-12 10:50:23 <gwillen> to, uh, discourage people from rolling their own
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 462 2014-12-12 10:50:42 <sipa> if it is not inside the library, it has to be passed in
 463 2014-12-12 10:50:50 <jtimon> I was imagining something like "call3(params) {return call2(same_fp, params);}"
 464 2014-12-12 10:50:53 <sipa> which means a more complicated api
 465 2014-12-12 10:51:16 <sipa> and where would the hash function implementation be?
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 467 2014-12-12 10:51:37 <jtimon> in call2() implementation
 468 2014-12-12 10:51:38 <sipa> if you have a default.implememted.in the library, you still have the code.duplication
 469 2014-12-12 10:51:47 <gwillen> could you factor out the hash function into yet another library
 470 2014-12-12 10:51:51 <gwillen> and have a hard dependency on it
 471 2014-12-12 10:51:56 <sipa> please...
 472 2014-12-12 10:53:00 <gmaxwell> gwillen: dependencies are hugely costly for us... both in build system complexity and also concerns about the consensus domain.
 473 2014-12-12 10:54:29 <gwillen> gmaxwell: I guess what I'm imagining is that the code duplication comes from needing the same hash function both in libsecp256k1 and elsewhere in bitcoin, so I'm imagining creating a bitcoin-internal 'library' for the hash function and perhaps other low-level primitives, which can be depended on by both libsecp256k1 and other stuff in bitcoin
 474 2014-12-12 10:54:51 <gwillen> thus eliminating the need for duplication but not actually adding a real external dependency
 475 2014-12-12 10:55:07 <sipa> that complicates usage of the.library
 476 2014-12-12 10:55:11 <gwillen> but... if libsecp256k1 itself is intended to be external, that doesn't fly I guess
 477 2014-12-12 10:55:12 <sipa> seriously
 478 2014-12-12 10:55:14 * gwillen nods
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 480 2014-12-12 10:55:40 <jtimon> another solution is that the hash is on libsecp256k1 and only there
 481 2014-12-12 10:56:02 <sipa> that's not.possible
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 483 2014-12-12 10:56:31 <gmaxwell> gwillen: yea, and if it's not used elsewhere then any concerns about interface saftey are greatly mitigated.
 484 2014-12-12 10:56:43 <sipa> or.you would need a fully.generic hash function implementation there
 485 2014-12-12 10:56:51 <jtimon> bitcoin is going to depend on libsecp256k1 anyway, no?
 486 2014-12-12 10:56:58 <sipa> which is exposed
 487 2014-12-12 10:57:12 <sipa> probably
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 489 2014-12-12 10:57:27 <jtimon> oh, I see, well, still another potential solutions (even though I wasn't seeing the disadvantages)
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 492 2014-12-12 10:57:57 <gmaxwell> its true, the hashes could just move into libsecp256k1 and be exposed. Maybe create a libsipacrypto and just move all the low level cryptographic functions we use there.
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 497 2014-12-12 10:58:50 <gmaxwell> fortunately hash function implementations are really small.
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 500 2014-12-12 10:59:24 <sipa> it would add 20% or so to libsecp's binary size
 501 2014-12-12 10:59:29 <gmaxwell> though a little less so if you go full on platform specific optimizations with them; which is less interesting for signing but perhaps more interesting elsewhere.
 502 2014-12-12 10:59:43 <gmaxwell> sipa: but 0.1% to its memory footprint. :P
 503 2014-12-12 10:59:51 <sipa> yup
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 514 2014-12-12 11:09:32 <jtimon> I like the idea of having all low level crypto functions encapsulated in a library, you guys know better if it's worth it
 515 2014-12-12 11:10:03 <sipa> oh so do i, src/crypto is already mostly that
 516 2014-12-12 11:10:34 <sipa> but i like libsecp to be stamdalone and reusable, without.kitchen sink of.crypto.functions that bitcoin just happens to use
 517 2014-12-12 11:11:53 <jtimon> maybe they can be two libs dependent on each other, libseco256k1 uses 2 (fp approach) but crypto only exposes 3
 518 2014-12-12 11:12:48 <jtimon> I don't know, it seems there's no easy answers
 519 2014-12-12 11:12:53 <sipa> that is a possibility.. making libsecp lowlevel, and libbitcoincrypto higher level and.dependent on it
 520 2014-12-12 11:13:30 <sipa> i like that, but it.does not benefit external users that much
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 522 2014-12-12 11:14:03 <jtimon> external users are the ones who may want 2 instead of 3, no?
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 524 2014-12-12 11:14:29 <sipa> bitcoin unit tests need 2
 525 2014-12-12 11:14:35 <gwillen> I feel like the whole benefit of 3 is to prevent external users from doing that
 526 2014-12-12 11:15:03 <sipa> i should find a way to avoid that necessity.to.tweak.the nonce
 527 2014-12-12 11:15:03 <jtimon> oh, I see, so actually you want 2 for bitcoin and 3 for external users
 528 2014-12-12 11:15:11 <gwillen> if you don't mind external users potentially shooting themselves in the foot, 1/2 is great for everyone
 529 2014-12-12 11:15:35 <sipa> 1 works and exists right now
 530 2014-12-12 11:15:47 <sipa> but it allows foot.shooting
 531 2014-12-12 11:15:56 <sipa> and is.inconvenient.in usage
 532 2014-12-12 11:16:21 <gmaxwell> (incidentally, there are already a raft of external users... even people we've specifically advised against using the library yet)
 533 2014-12-12 11:16:50 <gwillen> well, that's exciting
 534 2014-12-12 11:17:09 <gwillen> and here I thought I was being paranoid in suggesting crazy shenanigans just to prevent external users from being stupid
 535 2014-12-12 11:17:25 <sipa> nope, not at all
 536 2014-12-12 11:17:42 <jtimon> so maybe libsecp can expose 3, and bitcoin uses a custom version with 2 until the tests can be done with 3 alone?
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 538 2014-12-12 11:18:24 <sipa> i.think i will implement 2 for now, which works and.is.easy to.do
 539 2014-12-12 11:18:42 <sipa> without any.default nonce generation function
 540 2014-12-12 11:18:43 <gwillen> sipa: even though nobody reads documentation, I encourage you to document how dangerous it is
 541 2014-12-12 11:18:52 <gwillen> so at least you can yell at people who use it
 542 2014-12-12 11:19:42 <jtimon> implementing anything else on top of 2 should be easy so I think it's wise
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 569 2014-12-12 11:56:24 <sipa> http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/source/c/cdrkit-1.1.11.tar.bz2:
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 583 2014-12-12 12:25:46 <cfields> sipa: did the fallback work properly?
 584 2014-12-12 12:25:57 <sipa> cfields: no, but it was due to certificate problems
 585 2014-12-12 12:26:04 <sipa> with --no-check-certificate it worked
 586 2014-12-12 12:26:32 <cfields> sipa: hmm, you mentioned that once before. about bitcoincore.org? iirc at the time i couldn't reproduce that
 587 2014-12-12 12:26:49 <sipa> cfields: the debian host env i have probably has too old certs
 588 2014-12-12 12:27:48 <gmaxwell> yuck
 589 2014-12-12 12:28:15 <sipa> we check hashes of sources anyway
 590 2014-12-12 12:28:32 <cfields> sipa: we could https -> http since we check the hashes anyway, though that's bound to start some arguments
 591 2014-12-12 12:28:33 <cfields> heh
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 593 2014-12-12 12:29:34 <wumpus> yes, let's not do that
 594 2014-12-12 12:29:46 <sipa> haha
 595 2014-12-12 12:30:07 <gmaxwell> better belt and suspenders.
 596 2014-12-12 12:30:18 <wumpus> 'we check the hashes anyway' is kind of lousy reasoning in security, by reducing everything to one level of check you make things brittle
 597 2014-12-12 12:30:26 <wumpus> right
 598 2014-12-12 12:30:27 <sipa> fair enough
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 600 2014-12-12 12:30:43 <sipa> just wanted to see whether downloading and building otherwise works
 601 2014-12-12 12:30:50 <wumpus> but what version of debian are you using?
 602 2014-12-12 12:31:22 <wumpus> I'm a bit disappointed that they *still* haven't updated their certificates
 603 2014-12-12 12:31:32 <sipa> whatever that VM guide said
 604 2014-12-12 12:31:45 <sipa> well, minor update of it
 605 2014-12-12 12:31:47 <sipa> 7.6 iirc
 606 2014-12-12 12:32:07 <wumpus> well that should be ok
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 611 2014-12-12 12:34:00 <wumpus> everything is too old
 612 2014-12-12 12:34:23 <sipa> is there a reason why we don't combine all gitian descriptors into one?
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 614 2014-12-12 12:34:36 <wumpus> you mean for all OSes?
 615 2014-12-12 12:34:37 <sipa> so there's no mess with copying the results out, and signing them independently
 616 2014-12-12 12:34:37 <cfields> wumpus: we're all just going to die anyway...
 617 2014-12-12 12:34:40 <sipa> yes
 618 2014-12-12 12:34:41 <cfields> wumpus: sounded so morbid :p
 619 2014-12-12 12:34:48 <wumpus> cfields: :p
 620 2014-12-12 12:35:06 <wumpus> sipa: well I really like being able to build for a certain platform independently
 621 2014-12-12 12:35:23 <cfields> sipa: i've been thinking about hacking on gitian to allow for that
 622 2014-12-12 12:35:23 <sipa> for releases?
 623 2014-12-12 12:35:30 <wumpus> most of the time I just need linux, or windows executables
 624 2014-12-12 12:35:35 <wumpus> I don't just use gitian for releases
 625 2014-12-12 12:35:58 <sipa> ah, well, with the depends system it's pretty trivial to build non-release test binaries for any platform
 626 2014-12-12 12:36:03 <cfields> sipa: if gitian allowed for saving output to some place, rather than blowing away the previous output, we could do that much easier
 627 2014-12-12 12:36:05 <wumpus> but non-deterministic
 628 2014-12-12 12:36:28 <sipa> right
 629 2014-12-12 12:36:36 <wumpus> I really don't like throwing even more in one descriptor
 630 2014-12-12 12:36:50 <wumpus> would be better to make a script that calls gitian three times and organizes things
 631 2014-12-12 12:36:53 <sipa> ok
 632 2014-12-12 12:37:03 <wumpus> not everything has to be moved inside
 633 2014-12-12 12:37:03 <sipa> i had that, but i don't feel like redoing it :)
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 635 2014-12-12 12:37:43 <sipa> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/builds/bitcoin-build.sh.txt
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 637 2014-12-12 12:38:43 <wumpus> shouldn't be too hard to update, in my case it was mostly removing things
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 639 2014-12-12 12:39:07 <sipa> i don't think gitian is still compatible with the ugly tricks i did there
 640 2014-12-12 12:39:08 <sipa> i'll try
 641 2014-12-12 12:40:17 <cfields> sipa: i just use: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=2zzUkTsL
 642 2014-12-12 12:40:32 <cfields> i suppose you'd want to add in the new source caching
 643 2014-12-12 12:42:21 <sipa> cfields: my script builds from my own source tree rather than fetching it remotely, and also does gpg signing and generation of changelogs etc
 644 2014-12-12 12:43:46 <cfields> sipa: ah, ok, probably not helpful then :). i just use the above for quick build checks
 645 2014-12-12 12:44:22 <sipa> and puts git commit ids in the generated filenames so they don't clash (i used that script for pull requests etc too)
 646 2014-12-12 12:45:36 <wumpus> generation of changelogs?
 647 2014-12-12 12:45:52 <sipa> diffs with the last release etc
 648 2014-12-12 12:46:17 <sipa> not useful for actual releases
 649 2014-12-12 12:46:25 <sipa> but it helped keeping track of which version had what
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 651 2014-12-12 12:49:07 <wumpus> ah, right
 652 2014-12-12 12:50:07 <cfields> sipa: other than the https issue, did you manage to get a build?
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 654 2014-12-12 12:51:27 <sipa> cfields: still building; dependencies take a while
 655 2014-12-12 12:51:29 <sipa> but it seems fine
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 676 2014-12-12 13:11:05 <wumpus> am I really unclear here? in how many other ways can I say the same thing? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5466
 677 2014-12-12 13:13:10 <gmaxwell> wumpus: I was confused by that when he opened it.
 678 2014-12-12 13:13:22 <gmaxwell> Do we display unverifyable signed ones as 'signed' in any way?
 679 2014-12-12 13:13:35 <wumpus> no
 680 2014-12-12 13:13:50 <gmaxwell> I think your response is clear enough.
 681 2014-12-12 13:13:53 <wumpus> getMerchant returns false in the case of an error, which means 'unverified'
 682 2014-12-12 13:14:11 <wumpus> which means we show the payment request in warning yellow instead of good green
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 684 2014-12-12 13:14:20 <wumpus> and without merchant
 685 2014-12-12 13:14:27 <gmaxwell> I won't go on there and repeat it because it's going to break Diapolo. :)
 686 2014-12-12 13:14:54 <gmaxwell> I guess I could give an argument in his favor: if there were ever a plan to phase out unverified ones, rejecting broken ones now might make it easier.
 687 2014-12-12 13:14:59 <gmaxwell> but I don't really buy it.
 688 2014-12-12 13:15:02 <wumpus> no, I'll just stop repeating, I was just afraid i was leaving something out causing him to not understand it
 689 2014-12-12 13:15:26 <gmaxwell> yea, I'm sure it'll be clear to him if he sleeps on it.
 690 2014-12-12 13:15:29 <sipa> cfields: osx and linux builds succeeded
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 692 2014-12-12 13:18:08 <wumpus> gmaxwell: in retrospect we probably shouldn't have allowed for unauthenticated payment requests; and in that case, sure, invalid signed requests should be completely rejected
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 694 2014-12-12 13:19:02 <wumpus> gmaxwell: but in that case getMerchant()==false simply means reject
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 697 2014-12-12 13:19:18 <gmaxwell> the problem with requiring authentication is that it makes the facility useless without an x509 cert, which are pita, cost money and or require a domain name, are (more or less rightfully seen as evil backdoors, though not in this case) etc.
 698 2014-12-12 13:19:42 <gmaxwell> OTOH adoption of payment request between indivigual users appears to be precisely equal to zero.
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 700 2014-12-12 13:20:21 <gmaxwell> (actually adoption with merchants seems very low too, but regular users don't appear to be using it at all.. so not forcing the signing is probably a bad tradeoff)
 701 2014-12-12 13:21:14 <wumpus> agreed that this leaves open the door for user-to-user payments
 702 2014-12-12 13:21:30 <wumpus> I vaguely remember some mobile apps are doing that?
 703 2014-12-12 13:21:44 <gmaxwell> Politically it might just simply be important to have a non-evil-CAs alternative.  I wanted to do tor-hs onion key based auth, but the tor project talked me out of it because they have a complete redo of the onion crypto in the works. (well seems no one is actually working on it. :-/ )
 704 2014-12-12 13:21:52 <wumpus> payment requests over bluetooth and such
 705 2014-12-12 13:22:19 <wumpus> a non-evil CAs alternative would be incredible
 706 2014-12-12 13:22:31 <gmaxwell> e.g. as an alternative to normal x509 you could take a tor HS pubkey, stuff it in a specially formed x509 cert, and we could handle that as displaying the name as a onion url.
 707 2014-12-12 13:22:35 <gmaxwell> As one option.
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 710 2014-12-12 13:23:05 <gmaxwell> Another obvious option would be supporting pgp WOT auth, presumably in a similar manner, but bootstrapping that is hard.
 711 2014-12-12 13:24:13 <wumpus> yup, supporting more open alternatives in addition to CAs would make it easier to bear to remove completely unverified payment requests
 712 2014-12-12 13:24:52 <gmaxwell> maybe I should pick up the tor thing; seems progress on the HS replacement is not happening fast.
 713 2014-12-12 13:25:00 <wumpus> I like the tor idea too
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 715 2014-12-12 13:27:07 <wumpus> the PGP WoT is in theory a good idea because it can be used for relative instead of absolute trust, but is considered ineffective because people don't check as well as they should before signing keys
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 719 2014-12-12 13:29:48 <gmaxwell> also obtaining the keys is often problematic, the WOT also leaks the social relations between people, which is weird.  Management for controlling your trust has high overhead, etc. the last mostly being a UI issue but no one has solved it. It's hard to solve when indifference is so high.
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 724 2014-12-12 13:39:57 <sipa> cfields: and my laptop wasn't plugged in, so the battery died while building win...
 725 2014-12-12 13:40:10 <wumpus> oops
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 750 2014-12-12 14:06:59 <sipa> cfields: ok, all built
 751 2014-12-12 14:09:35 <cfields> sipa: great. all good, then?
 752 2014-12-12 14:09:55 <sipa> yup, though fixing the cert problem would be nice
 753 2014-12-12 14:10:33 <cfields> sipa: easiest short-term fix would be to fix the busted dl link, no?
 754 2014-12-12 14:10:43 <cfields> (not arguing against a cert fix, only taking the problems in order)
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 761 2014-12-12 14:16:56 <wumpus> yes, fixing the link would make sense so that it doesn't have to fall back in the first place
 762 2014-12-12 14:17:49 <wumpus> the cert problem w/ bitcoincore.org will be fixed automatically when debian ever bothers to update their root certs
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 795 2014-12-12 14:49:58 <wumpus> maybe there's just some package that needs to be installed?
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 820 2014-12-12 15:20:46 <harding> wumpus: I imagine you could just install the ca-certificates package from testing or unstable.  The package doesn't seem to have any dependencies not available on wheezy: https://packages.debian.org/sid/ca-certificates
 821 2014-12-12 15:21:38 <wumpus> harding: that sounds like it could work
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 911 2014-12-12 17:22:25 <sipa> jtimon, gmaxwell: https://github.com/bitcoin/secp256k1/pull/162 implements (2)
 912 2014-12-12 17:24:54 <lechuga_> should libsecp256k1 implement rfc6979?
 913 2014-12-12 17:25:12 <sipa> that's an ongoing discussion
 914 2014-12-12 17:25:29 <lechuga_> what's your position
 915 2014-12-12 17:25:49 <sipa> the problem is that that requires a hash function and hmac implementation inside rfc6979, so you probably get code duplication, as the caller program almost certainly already has those too
 916 2014-12-12 17:26:31 <lechuga_> true
 917 2014-12-12 17:26:52 <lechuga_> then you have hash/hmac function ptrs or something not terribly elegant
 918 2014-12-12 17:26:54 <sipa> plus, for some use cases, you want the nonce generation function to be more flexible
 919 2014-12-12 17:27:04 <sipa> lechuga_: yup, see that pull request
 920 2014-12-12 17:27:08 <lechuga_> saw
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 928 2014-12-12 17:31:16 <lechuga_> i dont completely understand whats to be gained by that PR
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 934 2014-12-12 17:31:33 <sipa> lechuga_: harder to shoot yourself in the foot
 935 2014-12-12 17:31:41 <sipa> without losing flexibility
 936 2014-12-12 17:31:54 <lechuga_> couldn't you just s/generated with a cryptographic PRNG/generated by the user either deterministically or via PRNG/ in the function description
 937 2014-12-12 17:32:06 <lechuga_> ah
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 939 2014-12-12 17:32:19 <sipa> that doesn't change the likelyhood of shooting yourself in the foot
 940 2014-12-12 17:32:24 <lechuga_> :)
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 944 2014-12-12 17:35:01 <aschildbach> saivann: Hi!
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 957 2014-12-12 17:48:04 <lechuga_> the only foot shooting i can see now is someone stuck in an infinite loop because they don't realize their nonce can;t be used
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 974 2014-12-12 18:05:39 <xuxu> what are the problems with stellar's design?
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 976 2014-12-12 18:06:26 <lechuga_> amiller lists some good discussions on the subject here: https://twitter.com/socrates1024/status/541310839811502080
 977 2014-12-12 18:06:37 <lechuga_> but it's pretty much off-topic for bitcoin-dev
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1152 2014-12-12 20:58:45 <maraoz> I don't understand how this script is valid: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/test/data/script_valid.json#L227
1153 2014-12-12 20:59:30 <maraoz> shouldn't the script evaluator try to run 'abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz' as the redeemScript, given the P2SH flag is on?
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1155 2014-12-12 21:01:44 <ryanxcharles> maraoz: the "is P2SH" in fullnode/bitcore was subtly wrong
1156 2014-12-12 21:01:59 <ryanxcharles> compare to the "is P2SH" in bitcoind
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1158 2014-12-12 21:02:29 <ryanxcharles> spent like an entire day figuring that one out
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1161 2014-12-12 21:03:30 <maraoz> ryanxcharles: ah... thanks for that info. I'll review it
1162 2014-12-12 21:03:33 <Luke-Jr> maraoz: P2SH flag is only relevant when the script itself is P2SH ;)
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1165 2014-12-12 21:04:56 <maraoz> Luke-Jr: oops, I thought that was a a p2sh script!
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1186 2014-12-12 21:27:02 <maraoz> Luke-Jr: wait... is it because of the OP_PUSHDATA1? lol, tricky one
1187 2014-12-12 21:27:53 <Luke-Jr> maraoz: what? It's because it isn't HASH160 <20 bytes> EQUAL…
1188 2014-12-12 21:29:30 <Luke-Jr> ["'abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz'", "HASH160 0x4c 0x14 0xc286a1af0947f58d1ad787385b1c2c4a976f9e71 EQUAL", "P2SH,STRICTENC"],
1189 2014-12-12 21:29:36 <Luke-Jr> you have 3 pushes in the scriptPubKey there
1190 2014-12-12 21:30:38 <Luke-Jr> unless I'm misunderstanding the format of this
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1192 2014-12-12 21:31:37 <maraoz> scriptPubKey = "HASH160 0x4c 0x14 0xc286a1af0947f58d1ad787385b1c2c4a976f9e71 EQUAL"
1193 2014-12-12 21:31:46 <maraoz> 0x4c = OP_PUSHDATA1
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1195 2014-12-12 21:32:40 <maraoz> 0x14 = 20 (1 byte size)
1196 2014-12-12 21:35:26 <Luke-Jr> in any case, that isn't P2SH
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1203 2014-12-12 21:39:41 <maraoz> I know, thanks! It's awesome that you can still use "OP_HASH160  OP_PUSHDATA1 20 ... OP_EQUAL" without requiring the pre-image of the hash to be a script
1204 2014-12-12 21:40:43 <Luke-Jr> not so awesome if Bitcore (and BitPay⁈) can be tricked, though :|
1205 2014-12-12 21:41:22 <Luke-Jr> ryanxcharles: I presume you reported it to them?
1206 2014-12-12 21:42:45 <maraoz> nah, it's working allright in bitcore. We're re-implementing the API and that test was failing (that's what tests are for, right? we don't want regressions)
1207 2014-12-12 21:43:50 <Luke-Jr> re-implementing what API? :x
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1217 2014-12-12 21:59:09 <maraoz> bitcore's
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1221 2014-12-12 22:03:17 <ryanxcharles> Luke-Jr: long and complicated story. we now have to distinct libraries, fullnode and bitcore, that share a lot of the same code. hopefully all issues fixed in one will be fixed in the other.
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1239 2014-12-12 22:21:41 <TheButterZone> supposedly bounty up for split-key vanity address generator coding https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=890051.msg9821993#msg9821993
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1245 2014-12-12 22:25:30 <gmaxwell> TheButterZone: what do you mean bounty? vanitygen already supports that out of the box.
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1247 2014-12-12 22:27:35 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: it does? when you sending me optimised code? :P
1248 2014-12-12 22:28:57 <TheButterZone> they're probably running vanitygen but do you remember that one site (was it BitcoinVanity.appspot.com?) where you put in your part public key that bitaddress.org gave you? they probably want either a simple submission form site so they can copy and paste into vanitygen or have it completely automated
1249 2014-12-12 22:29:12 <TheButterZone> however that defunct site worked
1250 2014-12-12 22:29:38 <TheButterZone> anyway, i iz not dev, bye
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1253 2014-12-12 22:30:48 <gmaxwell> more likely that they just want to steal people's coins.
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1269 2014-12-12 22:46:02 <ryan-c> Is my understanding correct that when you sign with SIGHASH_ALL|SIGHASH_ANYONECANPAY additional inputs but not additional outputs can be added?
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1273 2014-12-12 22:47:15 <ryan-c> re vanitygen, I actually worked out a design for a split key vanity pool that is able to reward partial work if anyone is interested.
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1275 2014-12-12 22:47:53 <ryan-c> (not terribly complicated to do though)
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1277 2014-12-12 22:48:08 <gmaxwell> ryan-c: yes.
1278 2014-12-12 22:48:31 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: thanks
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1300 2014-12-12 23:02:06 <gmaxwell> ryan-c: yea, it's pretty easy to do that.  Also it's pretty easy to support multiple targets if you don't mind the customers having to stay online.
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1302 2014-12-12 23:02:49 <gmaxwell> e.g. sum up the customers public shares, grind until you find something matching a single customer. ... then ask all but that customer to reveal and replace their shares... give the results to the winning customer.
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1304 2014-12-12 23:04:47 <ryan-c> public shares as in public keys? not sure what you mean by 'reveal and replace'
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1306 2014-12-12 23:05:54 <gmaxwell> Calling them public shares because they're portions of an N of N private key, but yes. pubkeys.  Reveal meaning they give up their private keys (it wasn't a solution for them) and generate new ones.
1307 2014-12-12 23:06:06 <gmaxwell> (and obviously you never use a 'solution' based on a private key you've given up.
1308 2014-12-12 23:06:09 <gmaxwell> )
1309 2014-12-12 23:06:09 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: oh, that makes sense
1310 2014-12-12 23:07:24 <gmaxwell> I'd like to make a little vanity pooling thing using this, but don't really have time to port my much faster vanitygen code to a gpu. (My code is as fast on a cpu as vanitygen is on gpu).
1311 2014-12-12 23:08:48 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: I started building some code for the pool, but the guy who was working on it with me decided he wasn't interested anymore so I mothballed it.
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1313 2014-12-12 23:09:36 <ryan-c> I'd be interested in the faster vanitygen code, might be fun for me to learn opencl on it.
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1315 2014-12-12 23:11:13 <ryan-c> i'd be a bit nervous about requiring all the customers stay online, I guess you could drop their public shares as soon as they're not online to minimize failed private key recovery
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1318 2014-12-12 23:13:50 <gmaxwell> ryan-c: yea you just have them rotate keys once a minute regardless... so at the worst you lose one minute of work.
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1320 2014-12-12 23:14:17 <gmaxwell> And the users can't even tell if you're rotating because you have a hit but not theirs vs rotating to check keepalive.
1321 2014-12-12 23:16:08 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: ah, the customer client for the service has a "give me your private key and a new public" call for rotation or someone else's request was solved and a "here's the combined private give me a new public" for when that customer's request was solved.
1322 2014-12-12 23:16:22 <gmaxwell> yes.
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1326 2014-12-12 23:17:58 <gmaxwell> I never really figured out a good payment model for this shared work.  One thought I had was that the pool's profit is the multiple user speedup gain, users pay just the compute cost which is passed on to the miners (and offset by the mining they do themselves)
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1329 2014-12-12 23:20:31 <kadoban> gmaxwell: Is there any info on your faster vanitygen out there anywhere? I'm curious how you get such a drastic speedup.
1330 2014-12-12 23:20:44 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: I had a bunch of notes on the possible payout models, but that sounds like a fairly good approach, maybe even passing on some of the savings from the speedup to the customers because i think that speedup savings would be an order of magnitude.
1331 2014-12-12 23:21:12 <ryan-c> kadoban: the place to start is replacing openssl's elliptic curve routines
1332 2014-12-12 23:21:21 <ryan-c> they are not fast
1333 2014-12-12 23:21:23 <gmaxwell> I'm not using openssl at all.
1334 2014-12-12 23:21:44 <kadoban> Ah, hmm
1335 2014-12-12 23:21:58 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: you told me about this via pm before, donno how much of that you wanted to keep to yourself so i'll let you say more if you want
1336 2014-12-12 23:22:23 <gmaxwell> well it's actually not useful for cracking, just vanitygen.
1337 2014-12-12 23:22:59 <ryan-c> yeah, i was thinking that when you were telling me, but you seemed not to want to open source it
1338 2014-12-12 23:23:12 <gmaxwell> I'm making use of the fact the secp256k1 is a GLV curve, so you can take any point and multiply it by (some big randomly looking number) with only a single field multiply. This alone gives a 2x speedup.
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1341 2014-12-12 23:24:19 <phantomcircuit> "randomly looking"
1342 2014-12-12 23:24:20 <phantomcircuit> heh
1343 2014-12-12 23:24:23 <gmaxwell> I'm also primarly using doubling rather than point addition with G, because with our curve equation an optimal doubling implementation is much faster than addition. (e.g. 2*P instead of P+1) thats a pretty big speedup too.
1344 2014-12-12 23:24:49 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: well it's not actually random, it's derrived using some crazy number theory. It just doesn't have any obvious meaning like '2'.
1345 2014-12-12 23:25:28 <kadoban> Interesting, thanks. I'll look into that a bit (not for any particular reason, just sounds kinda fun)
1346 2014-12-12 23:26:57 <gmaxwell> I'm also making use of the fact that you can get positive and negative versions of a point by simply by writing a byte, if you're only generating compressed keys. Which is another 2x speedup.
1347 2014-12-12 23:27:40 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: i think there's a gpu vanity miner with the positive/negative optimization
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1349 2014-12-12 23:27:50 <gmaxwell> I'm using much larger batch inversion, though batch inversion is the one thing vanitygen does (though I only need to run it on the points before the 2*2*3 expansion)
1350 2014-12-12 23:28:19 <gmaxwell> Also I only need to recover the X coorid, which is only a small improvement though if you're doing it right and batching the inversion.
1351 2014-12-12 23:29:03 <gmaxwell> I know another optimization that I haven't tried yet... which is that the Z ratios of the doubled jacobian points can be easily known as a side effect of the doubling, which would speed up the batch inversion.
1352 2014-12-12 23:29:22 <gmaxwell> thought probably only a percent or so.
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1354 2014-12-12 23:30:14 <gmaxwell> In any case, if dorking with fast ECC is interesting to you, you should contribute to libsecp256k1... which now uses all these tools to the extent that they're useful for speeding up ECDSA signature validation.
1355 2014-12-12 23:31:31 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: I've played around with libsecp256k1, it's about an order of magnitude faster than openssl, but I don't think I really have the math background to contribute much.
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1358 2014-12-12 23:33:49 <gmaxwell> The math for all this stuff is not that hard. I mean, other people have done the crazy number theory. There is plenty to be gained at the level of just doring with basic algebra... also non-mathmatical optimizations.
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1361 2014-12-12 23:35:45 <gmaxwell> esp just converting existing algorithims to assembly also has big room for performance speedups.
1362 2014-12-12 23:36:26 <gmaxwell> Also, we're somewhat review bandwidth limited. Pieter can basically fill my review capacity on his own.
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1364 2014-12-12 23:36:59 <gmaxwell> "explain to me this math crap you just did" is a perfectly reasonable review response.
1365 2014-12-12 23:37:55 <ryan-c> heh
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1367 2014-12-12 23:38:52 <ryan-c> unfortunately i can't code in assembly, though i am comfortable optimizing in c
1368 2014-12-12 23:39:54 * ryan-c needs to get some actual work done for a bit
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