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   7 2014-12-16 00:07:12 <syskall> does anyone know why OP_EVAL didn't end up being implemented?
   8 2014-12-16 00:07:52 <sipa> the alternative was simpler
   9 2014-12-16 00:08:11 <sipa> and it was implemented, just not.picked
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  11 2014-12-16 00:08:58 <gmaxwell> syskall: the original implementation introduced vulnerabilties that were subtle and not found for a while, so the simpler implementation was preferable.  Also, because of other limits (maximum push size) it wouldn't have been more useful in any case.
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  14 2014-12-16 00:09:49 <gmaxwell> or at least not much more useful.  E.g. you couldn't recursively combine arbritary scripts since you'd almost always go over the push limits.
  15 2014-12-16 00:10:17 <syskall> Ok, I'm just not sure I understand BIP 16. the OP_EVAL proposal seemed very clear to me
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  17 2014-12-16 00:11:11 <gmaxwell> Sometimes something which is simple to describe is not simple to make correct and secure. :)
  18 2014-12-16 00:11:20 <syskall> basically the form of a script pubkey can implicitly change the evaluation behavior
  19 2014-12-16 00:11:33 <syskall> I know, I didn't mean to imply that
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  21 2014-12-16 00:12:49 <gmaxwell> Would have been arguably preferable if there was an opcode used to trigger it at least, but doing so would expand every one by one byte and would have made the transactions non-standard. In hindsight we should have wanted them non-standard, but we foolishly believed people would adopt p2sh right away, but didn't because wallets did not implement sending to it for a _long_ time.
  22 2014-12-16 00:12:51 <sipa> bip16 pretty much is op_eval, with the.differemce that it is triggered by a template instead of an opcoxe
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  26 2014-12-16 00:15:24 <syskall> sipa: took me  a while to figure that out.. had to go through the IRC logs.. wish it had been in the BIP :o
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  30 2014-12-16 00:17:47 <gmaxwell> syskall: ?! the operation is described in the bip.
  31 2014-12-16 00:19:27 <syskall> The BIP is not clear
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  34 2014-12-16 00:19:56 <syskall> first it defines a new "standard" transaction type .. which implies it's standard as in "relayed"
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  36 2014-12-16 00:20:41 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: why should they have started non-standard?
  37 2014-12-16 00:20:45 <syskall> but it's in fact a new kind of transaction with new validation rules
  38 2014-12-16 00:20:47 <BlueMatt> would have made the conversation even harder...
  39 2014-12-16 00:21:05 <BlueMatt> "why sould I implement it, its not used anywhere, let alone usable because its non-standard"
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  41 2014-12-16 00:22:06 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: because it being IsStandard left non-upgrading miners more exposed to accidentally mining an invalid block.
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  43 2014-12-16 00:22:42 <gmaxwell> And yet, avoiding that chicken and egg is part of why we thought it should be standard.  ... but in hindsight it wasn't what mattered.
  44 2014-12-16 00:23:12 <BlueMatt> well, hinsight is not 20/20 here...never know what wallets would have pushed back harder if it were
  45 2014-12-16 00:24:04 <gmaxwell> well it would have been IsStandard one release after it was deployed on the network... which was still before virtually any wallet except bitcoin core supported it.
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  49 2014-12-16 00:25:28 <gmaxwell> could even have done a IsStandard that toggled based on coinbase tags. E.g. feature locks in at 80% but remains non-standard until 95% (or until someone just takes out that code)
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  54 2014-12-16 00:29:13 <BlueMatt> true
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  56 2014-12-16 00:30:12 <gmaxwell> I think the big lesson I got there was that it was important to get affirmitive buy in if we want wallets to implement something promptly.
  57 2014-12-16 00:30:16 <syskall_> what I meant is that reading the BIP, it feels like the BIP simply defines a new type of standard transaction to be relayed (using existing op codes/validation rules). but it does more than that
  58 2014-12-16 00:30:21 <syskall_> that' was just my point
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  62 2014-12-16 00:34:31 <Luke-Jr> syskall_: whether a node relays it or not is a decision for the node, independent of BIPs
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  67 2014-12-16 00:37:30 <syskall_> Luke-Jr: that's correct
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  72 2014-12-16 00:40:03 <gmaxwell> Certantly we've used BIPs before to recommend non-normative behavior.
  73 2014-12-16 00:40:58 <syskall_> in practice though, the BIPS have a big power over what kind of transactions a regular user can expect to get in the blockchain
  74 2014-12-16 00:42:51 <syskall_> while I have both your attention , mind looking at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=893077.0 ? :)
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  77 2014-12-16 00:45:24 <gmaxwell> you cannot implementat that in script today. Though if you search (e.g. 'fair coin toss') you can find a scheme that does work.
  78 2014-12-16 00:45:41 <gmaxwell> you're not getting responses because you haven't searched, and people are ignoring your post because you didn't research.
  79 2014-12-16 00:45:47 <guest28389273871> why is leveldb in the core src tree?
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  81 2014-12-16 00:46:33 <phantomcircuit> because it's part of the consensus code so it's best that we can control changes
  82 2014-12-16 00:46:39 <gmaxwell> guest28389273871: because its an integral part of Bitcoin Core's consensus algorithim implementation.  (and even were it not, it's normally not distributed as a freestanding library even on Linux distributions)
  83 2014-12-16 00:47:15 <guest28389273871> in other words, because it is statically compiled?
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  85 2014-12-16 00:47:40 <gmaxwell> No, that isn't what I said.
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  87 2014-12-16 00:48:26 <guest28389273871> ok, so berkeleydb would be in the core src tree if it were to manage chainstate/blockindex?
  88 2014-12-16 00:48:56 <gmaxwell> Prior to our use of it LevelDB's authors had fixed 'bugs' which if simply fixed in an uncontrolled way would have resulted in consensus forking vulnerabilities.  Generally software isn't written and mantained with the particular requirements of cryptographic consensus in mind.
  89 2014-12-16 00:49:17 <gmaxwell> guest28389273871: Yes, potentially.
  90 2014-12-16 00:49:32 <guest28389273871> alright. i can relate
  91 2014-12-16 00:50:01 <guest28389273871> as much as one could stretch that to apply to, say, boost too
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  93 2014-12-16 00:50:32 <gmaxwell> It could indeed. Our path there has been to reduce the role of boost in the codebase. Primarly we use it only in ways that really couldn't conceivably be gotten wrong.
  94 2014-12-16 00:50:58 <gmaxwell> (and it was never used in really far out ways... mostly as a way of importanting C++ features from the future, really)
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  96 2014-12-16 00:52:13 <guest28389273871> let me check on another thing. i asked about an 'extention' of the version message to include os/platform info the other day. IRC was that back then...
  97 2014-12-16 00:52:43 <guest28389273871> dead
  98 2014-12-16 00:53:09 <guest28389273871> any thoughts?
  99 2014-12-16 00:54:33 <phantomcircuit> i cant see any legitimate use for that
 100 2014-12-16 00:54:48 <gmaxwell> That doesn't sound interesting or useful, just would be another privacy leak.
 101 2014-12-16 00:55:11 <guest28389273871> i understand the concerns, but how do we know what the 7K nodes are running on out there?
 102 2014-12-16 00:55:26 <gmaxwell> I was somewhat opposed to even having a version string. (I think history has supported my opposition too, its basically worthless because so many things just lie in it even though there is no reason for it)
 103 2014-12-16 00:55:43 <gmaxwell> guest28389273871: having that data wouldn't change our knoweldge there in the slighest.
 104 2014-12-16 00:56:13 <guest28389273871> how do we know 32bit needs support, for instance, etc... it permeates everything we do. travis, source code, docs, gitian...
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 106 2014-12-16 00:57:02 <gmaxwell> Supporting 32 bit does not require any additional effort. It just requires writing portable software. Even if there were somehow no need for it, we'd still make sure it worked.
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 108 2014-12-16 00:57:38 <gmaxwell> (and the notion that we wouldn't need it is a little crazy, IMO, by number 32 bit processor production still _vastly_ outpaces 64 bit processors)
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 110 2014-12-16 00:58:24 <guest28389273871> so, the argument is low level of effort across the current "system reqs". just making sure we're on the same page, not necessarily asking for dropping 32 support at all.
 111 2014-12-16 00:58:36 <gmaxwell> Also, ... we couldn't learn that there from _listening_ nodes. Listening nodes are only a fraction of deployed nodes. There are probably on the order of a hundred thousand hosts running bitcoin, sampling a small portion of the publically inbound reachable ones is not that informative.
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 114 2014-12-16 00:59:44 <gmaxwell> Well, you've not articulated a need. So to me it just seems user hostile: I can tell you how this would harm users. I can't come up with a way that it would help them.
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 250 2014-12-16 04:55:47 <wumpus> WHAT, who is arguing for dropping 32 bit support
 251 2014-12-16 04:56:16 <wumpus> in other news, my mips32be node is now synchronized to 38% of the testnet chain
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 256 2014-12-16 05:08:02 <gmaxwell> wumpus: ... wait, you have be working?
 257 2014-12-16 05:08:33 <gmaxwell> wumpus: by coincidence, I got both my dual G5 PPC hosts working last night (been testing libsecp256k1 and some non-bitcoin stuff on them)
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 260 2014-12-16 05:15:10 <wumpus> gmaxwell: yes, I have BE working; most of the work is https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5478 . There are some other changes required beside that, such as in serialization, and a few silly changes in the network code, but it appears to work.
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 262 2014-12-16 05:17:08 <wumpus> and all the tests pass
 263 2014-12-16 05:19:32 <gmaxwell> I guess congrats to everyone on the last year of changes too, since it used to be more gnarly but many things have improved portability as a side effect.
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 265 2014-12-16 05:22:14 <wumpus> indeed
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 269 2014-12-16 05:31:04 <davec> I second that.  Nice job on the cleanup and refactoring that has been going on guys
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 279 2014-12-16 06:09:17 <akaiiro> guys, I just reed this http://en.bitcoinwiki.org/Bitcoin_address
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 282 2014-12-16 06:10:27 <akaiiro> and then looked that two of my recent addresses start with 'm'
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 284 2014-12-16 06:11:11 <akaiiro> the generates addresses for bitcoin and testnet3 are different in format?
 285 2014-12-16 06:11:56 <wumpus> same format, different prefix byte
 286 2014-12-16 06:12:20 <akaiiro> oh, ok. thanks wumpus
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 370 2014-12-16 08:37:20 <b-itcoinssg> when you create a multi-sig address with a stated criteria i.e. = m of n public keys (where the number m and n public keys are known), is there only 1 possible address? or can you generate multiple multi-sig addresses that fit that criteria?
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 376 2014-12-16 08:42:35 <Luke-Jr> b-itcoinssg: you can, but it's not necessarily useful to do so\
 377 2014-12-16 08:42:46 <Luke-Jr> b-itcoinssg: it's still address reuse, even though the addresses are different
 378 2014-12-16 08:43:42 <b-itcoinssg> Luke-Jr:ok, thanks
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 381 2014-12-16 08:47:33 <b-itcoinssg> Luke-Jr: correct me if I'm wrong but right now, you can generate a multi-sig address only if you know public keys and the "m"(although, there is a max for this). right? It would be cool if there was a way to generate a multi-sig address just using the bitcoin addresses, that way anyone could create and hence verify a multi-sig address and the m in m of n.
 382 2014-12-16 08:48:33 <Luke-Jr> you can do this (you still need "m")
 383 2014-12-16 08:48:42 <Luke-Jr> it just isn't standardised
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 386 2014-12-16 08:50:42 <b-itcoinssg> oh ok, that is good.
 387 2014-12-16 08:52:23 <b-itcoinssg> there is a limit on m right? like 11 or something? To verify a multi-sig address with only public addresses known, one could exhaustively search all m of n couldn't you?
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 393 2014-12-16 08:56:43 <gmaxwell> uh. current smartfee code looks like it could conclude to pay less than minRelayTxFee. :-/
 394 2014-12-16 08:58:12 <Luke-Jr> b-itcoinssg: 15. but maybe less if you use addresses
 395 2014-12-16 08:58:24 <Luke-Jr> or maybe more..
 396 2014-12-16 08:58:44 <b-itcoinssg> ok
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 509 2014-12-16 11:02:19 <wumpus> this just adds some tx_invalid/valid tests for OP_CODESEPARATOR, any specific reason it doesn't get any acks? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5421
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 512 2014-12-16 11:03:53 <gmaxwell> Petertodd pull, shunning.  :P  Nah, just haven't had a chance to actually review it.
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 514 2014-12-16 11:04:33 <wumpus> but it adds an entry to tests.json, and it still passes afterwards, that's nearly always good right? :-)
 515 2014-12-16 11:05:11 <gmaxwell> yea, more along the lines of "I need to go figure out how the hell he got a positive use out of it and understand that."
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 517 2014-12-16 11:05:42 <gmaxwell> And make sure that this revelation doesn't alert me to any potential consensus bugs or exploitable conditions.
 518 2014-12-16 11:05:50 <wumpus> but yes, good point, we should shun the enemy's pulls *ducks*
 519 2014-12-16 11:06:17 <gmaxwell> He might have used cursed bits.
 520 2014-12-16 11:06:47 <petertodd> two positive uses in fact: you can use OP_CODESPARATOR for zerocash too I just realised
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 524 2014-12-16 11:07:40 <gmaxwell> wumpus: sorry for being naughty and using the PR process as my personal reading list. :)
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 527 2014-12-16 11:11:34 <petertodd> if you take "reveal a embedded consensus zerocash serial number" to be "validly executing part of a script" then you can put those scripts in transactions, thus giving zerocash access to the bitcoin scripting system for authentication
 528 2014-12-16 11:12:36 <petertodd> OP_CODESEPARATOR is useful there as you can in some cases put the script fragments in transactions in more convenient ways... my other use case is cooler, but still, it's a usecase
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 531 2014-12-16 11:13:17 <gmaxwell> ah, for ZC I'd really mostly assumed doing the emerge in the txin basically and getting a scriptpubkeyhash out as the 'serial number'
 532 2014-12-16 11:13:34 <petertodd> gmaxwell: specifically embedded consensus zerocash remember
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 545 2014-12-16 11:29:45 <sipa> ... opens #5478
 546 2014-12-16 11:29:52 <sipa> "103 files modified"
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 550 2014-12-16 11:35:55 <michagogo> 10:47:28 <gmaxwell> uh. current smartfee code looks like it could conclude to pay less than minRelayTxFee. :-/ <-- Should we assume that everyone's using the same policy as us?
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 552 2014-12-16 11:36:21 <sipa> michagogo: no, but we shouldn't create a transaction that we won't relay ourselves
 553 2014-12-16 11:36:35 <gmaxwell> michagogo: we don't assume that... but as a minimum... ^ what sipa said.
 554 2014-12-16 11:37:00 <michagogo> Won't? Or wouldn't?
 555 2014-12-16 11:37:06 <sipa> won't
 556 2014-12-16 11:37:10 <michagogo> Ah
 557 2014-12-16 11:37:23 <michagogo> Yeah, I can see that being a problem :
 558 2014-12-16 11:37:30 <michagogo> :P
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 571 2014-12-16 11:44:25 <jonasschnelli> header stop building successfully.. it looks like it because of one of mine Qt based pull. will have a look
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 576 2014-12-16 11:50:00 <jonasschnelli> cfields: any clue why this: "error: ‘class QPixmap’ has no member named ‘convertFromImage’"?
 577 2014-12-16 11:50:20 <jonasschnelli> QPixmap::convertFromImage is available in Qt4
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 579 2014-12-16 11:51:12 <jonasschnelli> only affects the "32-bit + dash" and "No wallet" builds
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 582 2014-12-16 11:53:46 <wumpus> sipa: yes, it makes more sense to review it by commit than the whole thing at once
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 590 2014-12-16 11:55:00 <sipa> wumpus: i think it would be easier to review (as a whole) if renaming was done the other way first (use uint256 for the blob behaviour, and some temporary arithmetic_uint256 or whatever for the one with actual bigint semantcis)
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 592 2014-12-16 11:56:37 <wumpus> sipa: ok...
 593 2014-12-16 11:57:04 <sipa> wumpus: don't go off replace the whole thing now; i haven't even gone through it all :)
 594 2014-12-16 11:57:09 <sipa> just quick initial remark
 595 2014-12-16 11:58:11 <wumpus> but yes in retrospect I should have done it the other way around, probably, although I like that this keeps uint256.h almost untouched and just introduces new types
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 597 2014-12-16 11:58:57 <sipa> indeed; just looking at the total diff it seems that almost all cases are changed to blob (which is awesome)
 598 2014-12-16 11:59:06 <wumpus> could of course have renamed it to something else, but that would mean changing a lot of headers
 599 2014-12-16 11:59:12 <wumpus> yup
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 601 2014-12-16 12:01:01 <wumpus> the only uses of 256-bit arithmetic are for PoW, some crazy hashing for the trickle system, and increasing the nonce for CKey::Sign :p 
 602 2014-12-16 12:01:36 <wumpus> two of those could be removed, but didn't want to bother in this pull
 603 2014-12-16 12:01:38 <sipa> hmm, pity that i relied on uint256 arithmetic behaviour for the sign test cases
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 611 2014-12-16 12:03:28 <wumpus> I also like that uint160 can just go. No use of any 160-bit arithmetic anywhere.
 612 2014-12-16 12:03:34 <sipa> indeed
 613 2014-12-16 12:03:53 <sipa> wumpus: indeed, nChainWork and PoW comparison are really the only truly arithmetic uint256 uses i knew of
 614 2014-12-16 12:04:24 <sipa> (big concept ack btw, if that wasn't clear already)
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 619 2014-12-16 12:09:31 <sipa> petertodd: updated attribution in cltv2 by the way - it was just a quick way of showing how it could be done; not an actual intended patch
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 621 2014-12-16 12:10:41 <btcdrak> sipa: ya, just for public record, I've rebased it squashing the validation into the signature checker as you suggested https://github.com/btcdrak/bitcoin/compare/bitcoin:master...checklocktimeverify
 622 2014-12-16 12:10:53 <sipa> btcdrak: cool
 623 2014-12-16 12:11:33 <btcdrak> petertodd should submit a PR soon. There is one question with an unused constant
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 627 2014-12-16 12:11:56 <petertodd> btcdrak: I think you missed an attribution to sipa :) but I'll add that when I do my PR
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 629 2014-12-16 12:12:57 <btcdrak> petertodd: yes, I squashed it on purpose to keep it concise and figured it would be better at PR time. I mailed you about it but maybe you havent checked your email yet.
 630 2014-12-16 12:13:25 <btcdrak> SCRIPT_ERR_UNSATISFIED_LOCKTIME seems to be unused
 631 2014-12-16 12:13:29 <sipa> no worries
 632 2014-12-16 12:13:39 <sipa> btcdrak: let me check
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 634 2014-12-16 12:13:47 <petertodd> btcdrak: I gotta split it into "opcode" and "actually do soft-fork" anyway, so more git rebasing in my future...
 635 2014-12-16 12:14:14 <sipa> btcdrak: my mistake
 636 2014-12-16 12:14:15 <sipa> fixing
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 639 2014-12-16 12:15:40 <jonasschnelli> does travis uses Qt4.6 for some builds?
 640 2014-12-16 12:15:45 <btcdrak> sipa: it wasnt in the original PR of peter's
 641 2014-12-16 12:15:52 <btcdrak> *branch
 642 2014-12-16 12:15:58 <sipa> btcdrak: no, script error codes were added in master since
 643 2014-12-16 12:16:04 <sipa> so i added it in the rebase, but missed a case
 644 2014-12-16 12:16:29 <btcdrak> ah. added you to my repo you can push the change directly if you like
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 646 2014-12-16 12:17:14 <sipa> btcdrak: updated my branch
 647 2014-12-16 12:17:22 <btcdrak> thanks!
 648 2014-12-16 12:17:55 <sipa> also, my former branch was actually incorrect wrt to the BIO; if you had any tests, and they didn't catch this, that should be fixed :)
 649 2014-12-16 12:18:00 <sipa> *BIP
 650 2014-12-16 12:18:31 <sipa> i prefer not to push to other people's repo's, can lead to conflicts or misunderstandings easily
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 652 2014-12-16 12:19:20 <sipa> jonasschnelli: travis uses whatever is in depends
 653 2014-12-16 12:20:02 <jonasschnelli> sipa thanks. I think its a < Qt4.7 issue
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 657 2014-12-16 12:21:23 <btcdrak> sipa: did you push yet? dont see it
 658 2014-12-16 12:21:53 <sipa> yes
 659 2014-12-16 12:22:16 <sipa> branch cltv2 on sipa/bitcoin
 660 2014-12-16 12:22:57 <btcdrak> last commit 20 hours ago
 661 2014-12-16 12:23:21 <sipa> github lazy again?
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 666 2014-12-16 12:23:46 <btcdrak> oh lol, it happens :)
 667 2014-12-16 12:24:03 <sipa> btcdrak: "authored 20 hours ago"
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 670 2014-12-16 12:24:16 <sipa> the branch was updated 7 minutes ago though
 671 2014-12-16 12:24:21 <sipa> rebases don't change the author time
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 674 2014-12-16 12:24:41 <sipa> 52c2cdba405cd4e52c8ec1fa2c80fba1c638fd0b is the correct commit
 675 2014-12-16 12:25:24 <btcdrak> ah, ok. np
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 677 2014-12-16 12:25:37 <btcdrak> I see.
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 711 2014-12-16 12:32:54 <jonasschnelli> wumpus #5487 should get in soon to make travis happy again
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 722 2014-12-16 12:36:09 <wumpus> jonasschnelli: oops!
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 724 2014-12-16 12:37:13 <jonasschnelli> i probably overlooked the #5228 travis report because the issue must has also be shown then
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 727 2014-12-16 12:37:42 <wumpus> me too; that's weird. I wouldn't normally merge anything with travis complaining.
 728 2014-12-16 12:39:02 <jonasschnelli> i assume the qt travis depends didn't changed since the last coming on #5228. However. Now it's solved.
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 734 2014-12-16 12:50:43 <jonasschnelli> regarding two step 'sendtoaddress' RPC method. Brainstorming: how would it be possible to get a prepared transaction object which can be committed in a 2nd RPC call?
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 736 2014-12-16 12:51:47 <jonasschnelli> i think getting a whole rawtransaction object back for later committing is annoying
 737 2014-12-16 12:51:47 <sipa> we just need something in between to createrawtransaction and signrawtransaction
 738 2014-12-16 12:52:05 <sipa> which adds sufficient inputs to satisfy the outputs
 739 2014-12-16 12:52:14 <sipa> please, don't introduce more state :(
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 743 2014-12-16 12:52:33 <sipa> it's a bit annoying for humans that use the RPC directly, but so much saner for any other usage
 744 2014-12-16 12:52:43 <ThomasV> fundrawtransaction ?
 745 2014-12-16 12:52:49 <sipa> sounds good
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 748 2014-12-16 12:53:57 <jonasschnelli> Yes. sounds good. Stateless; definitively. Will implement.
 749 2014-12-16 12:54:15 <jonasschnelli> (Will implement = will try to implement)
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 762 2014-12-16 13:09:11 <jonasschnelli> RPC fundrawtransaction brainstorming: how it would be possible to unlock the inputs? What happens with never signed and broadcasted transactions?
 763 2014-12-16 13:09:27 <sipa> unlock what inputs?
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 766 2014-12-16 13:10:48 <sipa> you mean the lockunspent call?
 767 2014-12-16 13:11:32 <sipa> i guess it makes sense to lock certain coins, tell fundrawtransaction to use ignore the locking, and unlock after wards
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 769 2014-12-16 13:11:43 <sipa> or even make fundrawtransaction lock the inputs used
 770 2014-12-16 13:11:53 <sipa> to avoid double-spending yourself
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 773 2014-12-16 13:13:41 <jonasschnelli> but when fundrawtransaction would lock the inputs, when would be the time to unlock. Assume the user will use fundrawtransaction, forget about the funded tx and afterward would use sendtoaddress.
 774 2014-12-16 13:14:28 <wumpus> unfortunately it cannot really be stateless, anything that does the selection for you does need to lock the inputs
 775 2014-12-16 13:14:43 <sipa> maybe a boolean flag to fundrawtransaction to lock the inputs used
 776 2014-12-16 13:14:44 <fanquake> jonasschnelli New icons look good. Am building with Qt5.4 too.
 777 2014-12-16 13:14:58 <sipa> and a separate RPC which takes a raw transaction and unlocks its inputs?
 778 2014-12-16 13:15:00 <wumpus> otherwise it's impossible to do any concurrency
 779 2014-12-16 13:15:25 <wumpus> ie, two successive calls will just give you the same inputs if you didn't commit in the meantime
 780 2014-12-16 13:15:27 <jonasschnelli> unfundrawtransaction :)
 781 2014-12-16 13:15:28 <wumpus> sipa: yes, cancel
 782 2014-12-16 13:15:39 <wumpus> or unfund, whatever
 783 2014-12-16 13:16:01 <sipa> wumpus: well, not cancel necessarily; if you had sent transaction before, they're automatically considered used anyway
 784 2014-12-16 13:16:04 <jonasschnelli> what about the sendtoaddress call, should we keep that call confirm-less?
 785 2014-12-16 13:16:16 <sipa> confirmless?
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 787 2014-12-16 13:17:24 <jonasschnelli> i just brainstorming: what if sendtoaddress would have a confirm boolean-flag which when enabled would return a rawtx to sing and send?
 788 2014-12-16 13:17:24 <wumpus> sipa: it would be a cancel that you can only do *before* actually sending the transaction, after sending it it's indeed pointless
 789 2014-12-16 13:17:44 <sipa> jonasschnelli: i really prefer to keep things separate
 790 2014-12-16 13:17:53 <wumpus> introduce a new call pleaase
 791 2014-12-16 13:18:07 <wumpus> no more hacky extra flags to those hacky send functions
 792 2014-12-16 13:18:12 <sipa> jonasschnelli: as you suggest, sendtotransaction would just become createrawtransaction + fundrawtransaction + signrawtransaction
 793 2014-12-16 13:18:28 <sipa> eh, sendtoaddress
 794 2014-12-16 13:18:48 <sipa> i would keep sendtoaddress to just mean the whole thing, as it is now, and introduce separate broken-up calls to do the various steps independently
 795 2014-12-16 13:19:39 <wumpus> we have too many send functions
 796 2014-12-16 13:19:44 <wumpus> only one shall survive 
 797 2014-12-16 13:19:59 <wumpus> sendmany?
 798 2014-12-16 13:19:59 <sipa> </highlandermode>
 799 2014-12-16 13:20:03 <jonasschnelli> so keep sendtoaddress as it is know and refine the createrawtransaction + signrawtransaction with a fundrawtransaction?
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 801 2014-12-16 13:20:11 <sipa> jonasschnelli: not refine
 802 2014-12-16 13:20:23 <sipa> createrawtransaction remains unchanged, signrawtransaction remains unchanged
 803 2014-12-16 13:20:47 <jonasschnelli> yes. right. but add a fundrawtransaction to lock the inputs and give informations about the fees, etc.
 804 2014-12-16 13:20:52 <jonasschnelli> fees=fee
 805 2014-12-16 13:20:54 <wumpus> yes
 806 2014-12-16 13:21:06 <sipa> just add a fundrawtransaction that takes the output of createrawtransaction, and adds inputs (and potentially a change output), using coin selection and ewhatever criteria (fees?) seem reasonable
 807 2014-12-16 13:21:21 <sipa> and then the use can use the output of this to give to sign/sendrawtransaction
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 809 2014-12-16 13:21:33 <jonasschnelli> okay. clear.
 810 2014-12-16 13:21:56 <sipa> it may be useful to first just abstact the coin selection code out
 811 2014-12-16 13:22:02 <jonasschnelli> But what about the sendtoaddress user? If he likes to know about the potential fee he needs to create rawtxs?
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 814 2014-12-16 13:22:20 <wumpus> yes
 815 2014-12-16 13:22:25 <sipa> yes
 816 2014-12-16 13:22:37 <wumpus> sendtoaddress is a one-step function, it can't ask you anything back
 817 2014-12-16 13:23:24 <wumpus> that's why gmaxwell adds a global maximum fee setting in #5485
 818 2014-12-16 13:23:33 <sipa> also, a non-wallet based fundrawtransaction may even be useful, where you pass in the entire list of utxos to pick from
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 820 2014-12-16 13:23:41 <sipa> which obviously can't do any locking
 821 2014-12-16 13:23:48 <sipa> that could even go in bitcoin-tx
 822 2014-12-16 13:23:55 <sipa> maybe it should only go there
 823 2014-12-16 13:24:02 <wumpus> please don't use the same function for wallet and non-wallet use though
 824 2014-12-16 13:24:06 <wumpus> we've learned that lesson
 825 2014-12-16 13:24:06 <sipa> agree
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 827 2014-12-16 13:24:10 <sipa> yes, totally
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 829 2014-12-16 13:24:43 <jonasschnelli> wumpus yes. So the sendtoaddress user needs to create rawtransactions if he likes to know the potential fee?
 830 2014-12-16 13:24:54 <sipa> yes
 831 2014-12-16 13:24:59 <wumpus> deja vu? yes
 832 2014-12-16 13:25:07 <jonasschnelli> :)
 833 2014-12-16 13:25:11 <wumpus> same for the sendmany user, the sendfrom user, ...
 834 2014-12-16 13:25:17 <wumpus> all of them
 835 2014-12-16 13:25:31 <wumpus> all three of them!
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 837 2014-12-16 13:27:16 <jonasschnelli> I just felt that it could be more easy creating a tx where you get infos about the fees instead the createrawtransaction where you have to specify the inputs.
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 843 2014-12-16 13:27:53 <wumpus> isn't the idea that you don't have to specify inputs and the wallet will select them for you, using fundrawtransaction?
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 846 2014-12-16 13:28:38 <sipa> jonasschnelli: you don't specify the inputs
 847 2014-12-16 13:28:40 <jonasschnelli> slowly i get it. :)
 848 2014-12-16 13:28:52 <sipa> jonasschnelli: just use createrawtransaction with only the outputs
 849 2014-12-16 13:29:21 <sipa> jonasschnelli: pass to fundrawtransaction that adds inputs/change as necessary to satisfy money balance and fee requirements
 850 2014-12-16 13:29:37 <sipa> jonasschnelli: pass to signrawtransaction to sign the inputs
 851 2014-12-16 13:29:45 <sipa> jonasschnelli: pass to sendrawtransaction to broadcast
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 854 2014-12-16 13:30:12 <jonasschnelli> Okay. All clear now.
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 856 2014-12-16 13:30:42 <jonasschnelli> fanquake thanks for testing. Especially < 10.10 testes on retina compatibility would be nice
 857 2014-12-16 13:30:43 <sipa> a wrapper around createrawtransaction that has the same interface as sendtoaddress would be convenient, but probably clutter...
 858 2014-12-16 13:31:13 <wumpus> could be implemented entirely client-side
 859 2014-12-16 13:31:19 <wumpus> so, yes, that's clutter
 860 2014-12-16 13:31:35 <wumpus> also that would introduce another send function -> no!
 861 2014-12-16 13:31:54 <sipa> we could do it as an extra boolean input to sendmany *ducks*
 862 2014-12-16 13:31:59 <wumpus> wheee
 863 2014-12-16 13:32:26 <wumpus> sendmanyEx2
 864 2014-12-16 13:32:37 <sipa> ProcSendManyEx2
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 876 2014-12-16 13:49:11 <jonasschnelli> so; sendmany with boolean flag would produce same output as createrawtransaction with no inputs specified? Or whatfor is ProcSendMany?
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 891 2014-12-16 14:04:26 <jonasschnelli> wumpus: you said: "please don't use the same function for wallet and non-wallet use though". So fundrawtransaction requires a wallet, support for any utxo would not make sense?
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 893 2014-12-16 14:06:01 <wumpus> fundrawtransaction would be a wallet function or not a wallet function
 894 2014-12-16 14:06:10 <wumpus> first would make most sense
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 896 2014-12-16 14:06:37 <wumpus> fundrawtransaction w/ full utxo would be a pure utility function anyhow so belongs on bitcoin-tx
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 898 2014-12-16 14:07:50 <jonasschnelli> okay. thanks.
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1039 2014-12-16 15:55:55 <pavel_> jonasschnelli, can you please run convert -strip on the image displayed? Just to verify if it fixes the issue? BTW - do you see the warning?
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1060 2014-12-16 16:10:19 <jonasschnelli> pavel_ no. i can't see the warning.
1061 2014-12-16 16:10:37 <jonasschnelli> do you know which image triggers the error?
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1069 2014-12-16 16:16:52 <wumpus> I didn't see it either
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1073 2014-12-16 16:25:40 <jonasschnelli> i will strip all PNGs. Should remove any unnecessary data (like profile).
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1083 2014-12-16 16:32:41 <rzhang> I have a question about transaction propagation details. Is this the right place to ask?
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1088 2014-12-16 16:35:11 <kjj> depends.  easier to just ask the question
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1094 2014-12-16 16:37:00 <rzhang> Thanks. Does the trickle procedure also apply to txs? For the initiator of a tx, how many peers will it notice per 100ms?
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1099 2014-12-16 16:40:02 <rzhang> I have read from a paper that with 1/4 possibility that the initiator will send it to all its connections, is that correct? And is the procedure different for a relay peer?
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1165 2014-12-16 17:41:49 <jtimon> would it make sense to tag 41cced21 "Merge pull request #5267" with 0.10_base or something like that?
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1175 2014-12-16 17:57:54 <wumpus> meh, I'd like to keep tags just for actual releases
1176 2014-12-16 17:58:17 <wumpus> I hope we'll have an actual 0.10.0rc1 tag soon
1177 2014-12-16 17:58:45 <wumpus> for now, use the branch
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1185 2014-12-16 18:08:24 <ajweiss> so make depends does all the wgets for gitian builds now, correct?  all i need to manually grab is the os x sdk?
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1200 2014-12-16 18:32:53 <sipa> jgarzik: nice mail
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1205 2014-12-16 18:35:29 <jgarzik> sipa, I felt there were a lot of issues to pick apart
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1226 2014-12-16 19:03:13 <maraoz> which tests use the file sig_canonical.json? running `git grep sig_canonical` returns only "src/Makefile.test.include:22"
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1239 2014-12-16 19:13:37 <jtimon> yeah, the idea of having periods with and without moveonly commits makes  sense to me
1240 2014-12-16 19:13:51 <sipa> maraoz: heh, the tests there have been incorporated into script tests
1241 2014-12-16 19:14:02 <sipa> maraoz: a few months ago
1242 2014-12-16 19:14:19 <sipa> i believe the file should be deleted, but let me verify
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1246 2014-12-16 19:16:30 <maraoz> sipa: thanks. do you know if it was included in other data file? (say script_valid.json?) - those data files are really useful as fixtures for other bitcoin libraries (like bitcore)
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1255 2014-12-16 19:19:06 <sipa> maraoz: yes
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1257 2014-12-16 19:19:23 <sipa> script_valid and _invalid
1258 2014-12-16 19:19:41 <maraoz> ok, I'll create a PR to remove them in a sec
1259 2014-12-16 19:20:07 <sipa> them? plural?
1260 2014-12-16 19:21:52 <maraoz> sig_canonical.json and sig_noncanonical.json
1261 2014-12-16 19:22:56 <sipa> ah, of course
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1297 2014-12-16 20:06:53 <andytoshi> sipa: in the comment around line 130 i'm unsure what "p" and "the order" refer to --- is p the (prime) order of the subgroup and "the order" the order of the entire curvegroup?
1298 2014-12-16 20:07:05 <andytoshi> in libsecp256k1 pr #123
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1315 2014-12-16 20:21:27 <gmaxwell> andytoshi: there are only two orders involved, p (the size of the field the curve is defined over) and order (the order of the group), our curve has cofactor 1... there is only one subgroup, all points satisfing the curve eq are members of a single group of size order.
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1319 2014-12-16 20:25:59 <andytoshi> oh, derp, p is the field order
1320 2014-12-16 20:26:07 <andytoshi> thx
1321 2014-12-16 20:26:33 <andytoshi> i thought our curve had only one subgroup, was why i was confused
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1329 2014-12-16 20:31:10 <gmaxwell> hah order in the description is group order, p is field order.
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1332 2014-12-16 20:31:45 <andytoshi> the x coord should be mod the field order tho
1333 2014-12-16 20:31:59 <andytoshi> exponents (and nothing else) should be mod the group order (i think)
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1336 2014-12-16 20:33:23 <andytoshi> ah, no, the ECDSA def says n
1337 2014-12-16 20:33:26 <andytoshi> the gruop order
1338 2014-12-16 20:33:39 <gmaxwell> andytoshi: Yes by definition the coordinate itself is mode the field order. But ecdsa awfulness means that 'r' is G*k mod group.
1339 2014-12-16 20:33:42 <andytoshi> ah, right, x -is- used as an exponent
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1341 2014-12-16 20:33:54 <andytoshi> ok, i don't feel bad for forgetting this :P
1342 2014-12-16 20:33:58 <gmaxwell> thats where the complexity arises.  X is a challenge but the agreement test isn't quite exact.
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1346 2014-12-16 20:46:57 <andytoshi> in `exists h. (x(R) + h * order < p && x(R) == xr + h * order)` should it be `exists h. (x(R) + h * order < p && x(R) + h * order == xr)` ?
1347 2014-12-16 20:47:23 <andytoshi> note that in the original we check that adding `order` won't wrap x(R) but then we add it to `xr`
1348 2014-12-16 20:47:47 <andytoshi> brb lunch
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1352 2014-12-16 20:52:03 <segrx> Does anyone know what the response to `getrawtransaction <txid>`  (assuming index=1)  when querying for a txid that was previously in the mempool or blockchain, but since been considered invalid (as it conflicted)
1353 2014-12-16 20:54:58 <helo> segrx: i would expect it to return the raw transaction, having already indexed it. *searches for removal from index on invalidation*
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1355 2014-12-16 20:55:41 <segrx> Even if it was only in the mempool, it's inserted in the db and indexed?
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1359 2014-12-16 21:01:00 <helo> hmm, it looks like it will be removed from the mempool if it is invalidated
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1361 2014-12-16 21:02:30 <segrx> So in that case, if I query for it -- I should expect to see the typical: "No information available about transaction"
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1365 2014-12-16 21:04:07 <segrx> but if it was in a block, I should get a response -- but it won't have a "confirmations" field on the json response?
1366 2014-12-16 21:04:18 <segrx> (Since it'll still be indexed, but won't be in the best block chain )
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1368 2014-12-16 21:05:23 <helo> if it isn't in the mempool, then it attempts to locate it using the txindex
1369 2014-12-16 21:06:10 <helo> so yes, if it was at some point in a block it looks like it should be found (with no confirmations)
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1389 2014-12-16 21:32:17 <sipa> gmaxwell: when i say 'order' it always refers to n, the group order
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1391 2014-12-16 21:32:20 <sipa> eh
1392 2014-12-16 21:32:25 <sipa> andytoshi: when i say 'order' it always refers to n, the group order
1393 2014-12-16 21:33:51 <sipa> the field size is always referred to as p; i don't think a field itself has an order (its additive and multiplicative groups do, though)
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1395 2014-12-16 21:34:58 <sipa> segrx: getrawtransaction will return the information of a transaction is it was ever in a processed block (potentially in a reorganized branch), or is currently in the mempool
1396 2014-12-16 21:36:03 <sipa> andytoshi: and no, it should x(R) == xr + h * order; x(R) is a field element (mod p), xr is a number mod n
1397 2014-12-16 21:37:44 <sipa> (and n < p)
1398 2014-12-16 21:40:34 <sipa> andytoshi: ehh wait
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1401 2014-12-16 21:42:58 <sipa> andytoshi: the overflow conditions is wrong; nice catch
1402 2014-12-16 21:43:04 <sipa> (just in the comment)
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1417 2014-12-16 22:01:58 <sipa> andytoshi: updated the branch; i've added a bit more comments, and only used 'p' and 'n' (rather than 'order'); also, used the actual variable names
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1431 2014-12-16 22:13:51 <andytoshi> sipa: excellent :) was hoping it was just the comment
1432 2014-12-16 22:13:54 <andytoshi> i'll check it out
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1435 2014-12-16 22:16:07 <andytoshi> sipa: can a malicious actor set xr > n ?
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1437 2014-12-16 22:16:37 <andytoshi> then h might be -1
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1439 2014-12-16 22:17:05 <sipa> andytoshi: no, xr is the R value in the signature; it's invalid if it is >= n
1440 2014-12-16 22:17:57 <andytoshi> ok, cool
1441 2014-12-16 22:18:33 <andytoshi> (in this case the code correctly rejects the signature, but the analysis is broken)
1442 2014-12-16 22:18:35 <andytoshi> i think it's fine
1443 2014-12-16 22:18:39 <sipa> so xr is between 1 and n-1, inclusive
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1447 2014-12-16 22:18:57 <sipa> right, the analysis makes assumptions about the ranges of the variables
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1450 2014-12-16 22:20:28 <andytoshi> ok cool, utack
1451 2014-12-16 22:20:43 <andytoshi> i checked all the code, including the new x-comparison function
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1453 2014-12-16 22:20:56 <andytoshi> tho i used https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/17917/how-to-convert-projective-to-jacobian-co-ordinate-in-ecc as my "coordinate transforms are correct" reference :P
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1455 2014-12-16 22:21:07 <gmaxwell> andytoshi: on github. :P
1456 2014-12-16 22:21:37 <gmaxwell> \O/
1457 2014-12-16 22:21:40 <andytoshi> done :)
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