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   2 2014-12-18 00:02:28 <phantomcircuit> sipa, small.screen.
   3 2014-12-18 00:02:41 <sipa> yeah.true
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   8 2014-12-18 00:08:28 <voidDotClass> Is there DDos protection built into the clients? e.g, someone could just learn the ips of the peers from one of the dns seeds, and DDos them
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  10 2014-12-18 00:10:58 <phantomcircuit> voidDotClass, there's a lot of peers
  11 2014-12-18 00:11:22 <phantomcircuit> i have two on 10 gbps lines
  12 2014-12-18 00:11:42 <voidDotClass> all right, but in the early days that could've been more of a problem
  13 2014-12-18 00:11:49 <voidDotClass> how was it prevented?
  14 2014-12-18 00:12:00 <phantomcircuit> nobody cared to do it
  15 2014-12-18 00:12:16 <phantomcircuit> and even if they did
  16 2014-12-18 00:12:22 <phantomcircuit> it would have only been temporary
  17 2014-12-18 00:12:25 <sipa> also, starting a bew node is.easy
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  19 2014-12-18 00:12:30 <sipa> *new
  20 2014-12-18 00:13:02 <voidDotClass> someone could have brought down the whole network when it was ~1000 nodes
  21 2014-12-18 00:13:12 <sipa> maybe
  22 2014-12-18 00:13:31 <voidDotClass> that means any new currencies are vulnerable to it
  23 2014-12-18 00:13:36 <sipa> and when they stopped attacking, it would.just resume
  24 2014-12-18 00:14:06 <voidDotClass> they may resume DDos sporadically until people get frustrated and stop using it, esp. in early days
  25 2014-12-18 00:14:22 <sipa> yup, people certainly could have
  26 2014-12-18 00:14:33 <sipa> probably.still can, given.sufficient money
  27 2014-12-18 00:14:55 <voidDotClass> it can probably be circumvented easily
  28 2014-12-18 00:15:01 <phantomcircuit> sipa, i suspect that would be more expensive than a 51% attack at this point
  29 2014-12-18 00:15:07 <sipa> yup
  30 2014-12-18 00:15:27 <voidDotClass> just store the timestamp and ip of requests, if > X reqs / Y seconds, ignore
  31 2014-12-18 00:15:38 <sipa> oh we do that
  32 2014-12-18 00:15:53 <sipa> to.some extent
  33 2014-12-18 00:15:57 <voidDotClass> although that could still take a lot of processing?
  34 2014-12-18 00:16:10 <phantomcircuit> voidDotClass, that's cheap to do
  35 2014-12-18 00:16:10 <voidDotClass> given sufficient reqs?
  36 2014-12-18 00:16:17 <voidDotClass> ah
  37 2014-12-18 00:16:29 <voidDotClass> any better ways?
  38 2014-12-18 00:16:30 <phantomcircuit> it's expensive to handle bandwidth attacks
  39 2014-12-18 00:16:40 <phantomcircuit> because ultimately you need to pay for more bandwidth
  40 2014-12-18 00:16:57 <voidDotClass> is it possible to just reject them?
  41 2014-12-18 00:17:14 <voidDotClass> if req size > 1 KB = don't receive?
  42 2014-12-18 00:17:14 <phantomcircuit> you can drop the traffic once you've received it
  43 2014-12-18 00:17:22 <voidDotClass> not before receiving?
  44 2014-12-18 00:17:27 <phantomcircuit> but you're already paying for it when it's reached you
  45 2014-12-18 00:17:35 <voidDotClass> darn
  46 2014-12-18 00:17:52 <phantomcircuit> voidDotClass, this is ot in here, you can move to #bitcoin though
  47 2014-12-18 00:17:55 <voidDotClass> but you could blacklist the ip after the first such attack?
  48 2014-12-18 00:18:04 <sipa> yes
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  63 2014-12-18 00:28:03 <Luke-Jr> voidDotClass: DDoS protection is basically impossible
  64 2014-12-18 00:28:46 <Luke-Jr> sorry, going ot #bitcoin
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 129 2014-12-18 02:09:04 <fenn> typo alert: in https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0032.mediawiki CKDpub(CKDpub(CKDpub(M,3),2,5) is missing a closing parenthesis
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 138 2014-12-18 02:34:04 <sipa> fenn: fix it
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 145 2014-12-18 02:39:48 <Diablo-D3> better yet
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 413 2014-12-18 09:31:08 <lechuga_> am i the only one that notices subtle continuously decreasing txs wrt total output value
 414 2014-12-18 09:31:17 <lechuga_> it happens everyday
 415 2014-12-18 09:31:30 <lechuga_> cant figure out why
 416 2014-12-18 09:31:52 <sipa> ?
 417 2014-12-18 09:32:07 <lechuga_> 7.087..7.086...7.081...7.076..(im truncating, but showing the tren)
 418 2014-12-18 09:32:10 <lechuga_> tend*
 419 2014-12-18 09:32:15 <lechuga_> trend
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 421 2014-12-18 09:32:29 <gwillen> lechuga_: that's probably actually repeated small payments and you're seeing change
 422 2014-12-18 09:32:33 <sipa> you mean a sequence of actual transactions?
 423 2014-12-18 09:32:37 <lechuga_> yeah
 424 2014-12-18 09:32:54 <lechuga_> it's almost everday but i start to observe it at different points
 425 2014-12-18 09:33:02 <lechuga_> everyday*
 426 2014-12-18 09:33:12 <sipa> it's a sequence of payouts that should be using multiple outputs instead of separate transactions
 427 2014-12-18 09:33:42 <sipa> people have been doing that for years
 428 2014-12-18 09:34:02 <lechuga_> gambling?
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 430 2014-12-18 09:35:08 <lechuga_> the pattern will continue for really long sequences sometimes
 431 2014-12-18 09:36:40 <sipa> or mining payouts
 432 2014-12-18 09:37:02 <lechuga_> ah
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 439 2014-12-18 09:45:35 <lechuga_> they usually sum to much larger than a block subsidy in the same interval
 440 2014-12-18 09:47:03 <lechuga_> anyway OT
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 498 2014-12-18 11:00:15 <abishek> could somebody advice on what do the terms inputs and outputs mean on a bitcoin transaction?
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 508 2014-12-18 11:09:03 <wumpus> the same as they do everywhere? inputs specify what goes in, outputs specify what goes out?
 509 2014-12-18 11:10:11 <wumpus> this is more #bitcoin talk, but anyhow see https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-guide#block-chain
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 553 2014-12-18 12:34:03 <abishek> is there a way to know the list of confirmations for a transaction from a block when the transaction is outside of the wallet?
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 556 2014-12-18 12:35:59 <iwilcox> Again, probably #bitcoin material.
 557 2014-12-18 12:37:21 <abishek> iwilcox, so this room is only for core bitcoin development and not for apps that are being developed on top of bitcoin using RPC?
 558 2014-12-18 12:38:50 <iwilcox> Opinions seem to differ slightly, but yeah.
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 592 2014-12-18 13:11:35 <hearn> iwilcox: nah that sort of question tends to be fine here
 593 2014-12-18 13:11:41 <hearn> iwilcox: #bitcoin is more for general end user chatter
 594 2014-12-18 13:12:35 <sipa> abishek: if you enable -txindex, bitcoind will keep a full index of every transaction it has ever seen, and you can use getrawtransaction <txid> to get information about it
 595 2014-12-18 13:13:00 <sipa> abishek: note that this means slower syncing, and more disk space usage (and it's incompatible with future pruning)
 596 2014-12-18 13:13:36 <sipa> abishek: in general, you should try to use watch-only addresses for something like this if possible, which makes the wallet fully track transactions as if they were yours, without needing the private key
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 598 2014-12-18 13:16:11 <abishek> sipa, the problem that I currently have is, I am using a third party service to integrate merchant tools on my application. Though they have multiple levels of security, their API for integration is not complete, so am having a bit of trouble it getting the information about confirmations for the transaction that I am doing with them. If I receive the transactioNId from them, then I though I could query the blockchain locally from my wallet
 599 2014-12-18 13:16:12 <abishek> everytime the block changes.
 600 2014-12-18 13:22:00 <berndj> sipa, does that mean -txindex is deprecated in the long term, or just that you can't both -txindex and prune at the same time, or none of the above?
 601 2014-12-18 13:22:41 <sipa> berndj: it means -txindex won't be usable in combination with pruning, and that i consider that a reason why you should really consider an architecture that doesn't rely on it - but i understand it isn't always possible
 602 2014-12-18 13:23:52 <berndj> sipa, okay, i only -txindex because i like being able to study random transactions locally instead of having to rely on random web things to get info about tx and blocks and stuff
 603 2014-12-18 13:24:06 <sipa> that's a perfectly reasonable usa case
 604 2014-12-18 13:24:08 <sipa> *use case
 605 2014-12-18 13:24:31 <sipa> my only concern is that it encourages people to build really inefficient infrastructure
 606 2014-12-18 13:24:50 <sipa> but if you're doing analysis on the full block chain anyway, and the alternative is querying from a third party, duh
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 608 2014-12-18 13:26:45 <berndj> sipa, and re your suggestion to use watch-only addresses, i've always wondered if there can exist transactions that you *can't* notice without having the private key?
 609 2014-12-18 13:27:13 <sipa> berndj: watch-only addresses should cover everything; you can specify just a raw script to watch for
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 626 2014-12-18 13:41:13 <hearn> abishek: what provider doesn't expose confidence of transactions to you?
 627 2014-12-18 13:41:23 <hearn> abishek: that sounds like a pretty major issue
 628 2014-12-18 13:43:00 <abishek> not sure if I would like to mention the vendor, but they have an API that doesn't expose any blockchain transaction information at all currently either on their web console or on their API.
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 630 2014-12-18 13:46:49 <wumpus> hearn iwilcox abishek: basic questions about the working of the system belong in #bitcoin, but specific questions about RPCs are fine here
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 634 2014-12-18 13:49:38 <hearn> abishek: did you consider rolling your own with an api like json-rpc or bitcoinj?
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 637 2014-12-18 13:52:01 <abishek> hearn, haven't chosen that option because a) it will require more development b) i have to spend a lot on securing my wallet. In the long run I would like to do that definetely
 638 2014-12-18 13:52:25 <abishek> hearn, and I definetly know that I can customize the hell out with my own wallet
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 643 2014-12-18 14:01:05 <hearn> abishek: this is a typical merchant scenario, right?
 644 2014-12-18 14:02:20 <abishek> yes
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 871 2014-12-18 18:47:59 <proserpine-> is bitcoin core already using native c libsecp256k1?
 872 2014-12-18 18:48:16 <proserpine-> USE_SECP256K1 doesnt seem defined
 873 2014-12-18 18:48:20 <Luke-Jr> proserpine-: only for signing
 874 2014-12-18 18:48:39 <proserpine-> Luke-Jr: in key.cpp?
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 876 2014-12-18 18:49:26 <Luke-Jr> proserpine-: I presume
 877 2014-12-18 18:49:52 <sipa> proserpine-: indeed
 878 2014-12-18 18:50:04 <sipa> USE_SECP256K1 is for verification, but doesn't actually work
 879 2014-12-18 18:50:14 <sipa> but for signing it's always used
 880 2014-12-18 18:50:19 <sipa> in 0.10 and master at least
 881 2014-12-18 18:50:29 <proserpine-> ah right in 0.10
 882 2014-12-18 18:50:49 <sipa> the 0.9 branch is a year old :)
 883 2014-12-18 18:50:53 <proserpine-> shit i want to use it in my 0.9 fork
 884 2014-12-18 18:50:54 <proserpine-> :)
 885 2014-12-18 18:51:09 <Luke-Jr> (0.10 and master use different incompatible versions of libsecp256k1, note)
 886 2014-12-18 18:51:30 <Luke-Jr> proserpine-: ##altcoin-dev if you're not doing Bitcoin (and if you are, why fork an old version?)
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 888 2014-12-18 18:52:39 <proserpine-> Luke-Jr: its an old fork of mine.... too many changes in 0.1
 889 2014-12-18 18:52:44 <Luke-Jr> ah
 890 2014-12-18 18:52:49 <sipa> well, your problem
 891 2014-12-18 18:53:05 <Luke-Jr> proserpine-: there's not really much improvement from using libsecp256k1 for signing, IMO
 892 2014-12-18 18:53:09 <Luke-Jr> I'd just wait until you upgrade
 893 2014-12-18 18:54:06 <Luke-Jr> proserpine-: depending on what your goals are for your personal fork, you might find my personal fork useful (it's updated to 0.10) - on my git as 0.10.x-ljrF
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 936 2014-12-18 20:17:53 <proserpine-> really having trouble linking libsecp256k1, when i use the embedded one it throws undefined reference errors blah blah... with --with-system-libsecp256k1 it just fails to link somehow (bitcoind: error while loading shared libraries: libsecp256k1.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
 937 2014-12-18 20:18:13 <proserpine-> but its there at /usr/local/lib/libsecp256k1.so.0 ...
 938 2014-12-18 20:18:54 <sipa> use the embedded one; the api is not stable, so things will brewak
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 941 2014-12-18 20:19:34 <proserpine-> ok
 942 2014-12-18 20:19:55 <sipa> undefined reference probably means you're wrong the wrong version
 943 2014-12-18 20:20:06 <sipa> as the API is still changing, you need to use bitcoin code that matches :)
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 945 2014-12-18 20:22:45 <proserpine-> well no, it's not that
 946 2014-12-18 20:23:07 <proserpine-> secp256k1_open was undefined :s
 947 2014-12-18 20:23:22 <sipa> there is no such thing
 948 2014-12-18 20:23:28 <sipa> you mean secp256k1_start?
 949 2014-12-18 20:23:39 <proserpine-> yes sorry that one
 950 2014-12-18 20:23:47 <sipa> if that's the case, you're just not linking against libsecp256k1.la
 951 2014-12-18 20:24:20 <proserpine-> i am
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 953 2014-12-18 20:28:17 <Luke-Jr> sipa: .la is basically never used anymore
 954 2014-12-18 20:28:31 <Luke-Jr> proserpine-: are you trying to use it for validation?
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 956 2014-12-18 20:28:51 <proserpine-> Luke-Jr: signing
 957 2014-12-18 20:30:40 <sipa> tdlfbx: so my point is that any software doing multisig already needs some way to communicate the public keys anyway; i can't imagine why that same channel couldn't just transfer the whole script, and not bother what the order is
 958 2014-12-18 20:31:04 <Luke-Jr> proserpine-: can you pastebin the full thing? is this with my branch?
 959 2014-12-18 20:31:18 <tdlfbx> A half-complete script?
 960 2014-12-18 20:31:41 <sipa> tdlfbx: why half?
 961 2014-12-18 20:31:46 <tdlfbx> Don't have all the keys yet.
 962 2014-12-18 20:31:56 <sipa> then you can't do anythin at all
 963 2014-12-18 20:32:03 <gmaxwell> have them for what? you need to be more concrete.
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 965 2014-12-18 20:32:51 <proserpine-> Luke-Jr: no it's not from your branch, your branch builds just fine.. i'm going to have a few more go's at it first
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 967 2014-12-18 20:33:51 <sipa> tdlfbx: so say you have three parties that decide they're going to construct a p2sh address for a 2-of-3 of them
 968 2014-12-18 20:33:56 <Luke-Jr> proserpine-: then what branch? master doesn't have any --with-system-libsecp256k1 option
 969 2014-12-18 20:34:03 <sipa> tdlfbx: these parties need to communicate in some way
 970 2014-12-18 20:34:18 <sipa> tdlfbx: typically, they'll have some central hub at least acting as a meeting point
 971 2014-12-18 20:34:26 <sipa> tdlfbx: that hub can decide the order of the keys
 972 2014-12-18 20:34:48 <sipa> i'm not saying your idea isn't valuable, but it's really very minimal benefit imho
 973 2014-12-18 20:35:04 <proserpine-> Luke-Jr: out of despair i've stolen those bits from your config/make scripts :p
 974 2014-12-18 20:35:06 <tdlfbx> But there doesn't have to be a hub.  Just imagine 3 people emailing/IM'ing keys.  All 3 end up with the keys.  None of the 3 now knows what of the 6 addresses to use.
 975 2014-12-18 20:35:30 <sipa> tdlfbx: one of them gathers the keys, sends it to the rest, done :)
 976 2014-12-18 20:35:35 <sipa> tdlfbx: it's more efficient too :)
 977 2014-12-18 20:35:45 <tdlfbx> ;-)
 978 2014-12-18 20:35:48 <sipa> (2N communications instead of N^2(
 979 2014-12-18 20:36:09 <sipa> tdlfbx: and yes, i agree, there is no strict requirement for a hub
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 982 2014-12-18 20:36:21 <Luke-Jr> proserpine-: each change in my branch also has its own independent branch that can be merged (but I wouldn't advise it in this case - messing with libsecp256k1 is more trouble than it's worth usually)
 983 2014-12-18 20:36:24 <sipa> but on the other hand, it's also way more flexible that way
 984 2014-12-18 20:37:18 <sipa> as it can do more than M-of-N
 985 2014-12-18 20:37:29 <sipa> (like A-or-(B-and-C))
 986 2014-12-18 20:38:14 <tdlfbx> So what I need is any use case in which multisig parties each end up with all the keys (somehow) but do not end up with the address.
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 988 2014-12-18 20:38:37 <tdlfbx> Because there's no use case where having M! possible addresses is useful for anything, as far as I can tell.
 989 2014-12-18 20:38:41 <sipa> well if you don't have such a use case, what problem are you trying to solve? :)
 990 2014-12-18 20:39:02 <tdlfbx> The problem of contributing usefully to bitcoin.  :-P
 991 2014-12-18 20:39:27 <tdlfbx> M! is just untidy...
 992 2014-12-18 20:39:38 <sipa> there are many things untidy
 993 2014-12-18 20:39:42 <sipa> doesn't mean they're a problem
 994 2014-12-18 20:40:18 <tdlfbx> Tidy is comprehensible and extensible.  If the goal is to keep bitcoin an incomprehensible mess...
 995 2014-12-18 20:40:49 <tdlfbx> Perhaps if there's a time lag between key communication...or adding a party to a multi-sig authority...
 996 2014-12-18 20:41:06 <sipa> the reason i'm pushing back, is because what you're trying to solve sounds like humans trying to agree on a script given the keys
 997 2014-12-18 20:41:14 <sipa> or something only humans would find a problem, at least
 998 2014-12-18 20:41:24 <sipa> and i don't think humans should be touching or seeing keys at all
 999 2014-12-18 20:41:37 <tdlfbx> Why?
1000 2014-12-18 20:41:51 <sipa> we're terrible at dealing with cryptographic material
1001 2014-12-18 20:42:00 <tdlfbx> I'm rather baffled that bitcoin hides keys with addresses.
1002 2014-12-18 20:42:15 <sipa> addresses are still cryptographic material; humans shouldn't need to see those
1003 2014-12-18 20:42:48 <sipa> (i don't mean to say that it should be impossible to see them - just that no common use case should rely on it)
1004 2014-12-18 20:43:13 <tdlfbx> In some ways I agree with you.  But if humans never see those, they instead see a big button that says "do magic shit" and they have no idea the origin, trust, or function of that button.
1005 2014-12-18 20:43:24 <sipa> maybe
1006 2014-12-18 20:43:42 <sipa> it should be absolutely possible to learn and understand and dig into what the button does
1007 2014-12-18 20:43:45 <tdlfbx> Just as I know my bank account number...and I wouldn't want to *not* know it.
1008 2014-12-18 20:44:05 <tdlfbx> digging into the function of buttons in software is much harder than verifying account numbers.
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1011 2014-12-18 20:45:42 <tdlfbx> I think that means I win.
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1022 2014-12-18 21:05:06 <ajweiss> that's a false equivalence.  account numbers are just big magic buttons, now go and try to explain all the machinations that take place when you present one in a financial transaction...
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1028 2014-12-18 21:07:47 <ajweiss> hey sipa are you there?
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1030 2014-12-18 21:11:03 <tdlfbx> It's not a perfect analogy.  But there is an understanding of how they work.
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1033 2014-12-18 21:14:31 <tdlfbx> People understand account numbers, routing numbers, phone numbers, and in Europe, OTP's too.  They're not too dumb to understand PKI.
1034 2014-12-18 21:14:36 <ajweiss> i toyed around with a greasemonkey script for converting all the hashes on blockchain.info to 40-bit word representations
1035 2014-12-18 21:14:52 <ajweiss> it's a little better
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1037 2014-12-18 21:15:30 <ajweiss> mostly just entertaining
1038 2014-12-18 21:15:45 <belcher> depending on the person, they might actually feel better about btc if they feel they understand the details
1039 2014-12-18 21:16:09 <belcher> or at least think they understand :)
1040 2014-12-18 21:17:26 <Luke-Jr> tdlfbx: addresses are not like account numbers, routing numbers, phone numbers, etc
1041 2014-12-18 21:17:36 <Luke-Jr> which is part of the problem with addresses
1042 2014-12-18 21:18:00 <tdlfbx> Well I know.  I'm only talking about the level of understanding of users.  Users *understand* account numbers.  They could understand PKI too.
1043 2014-12-18 21:19:10 <tdlfbx> The philosophy sipa was touting above...to hide everything behind software, I think is flawed.  It brings everything back to trust.  (In the software authors)  We should be visually verifying and understanding what our keys are doing, in ways that can't be circumvented by clever software.
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1045 2014-12-18 21:21:07 <Luke-Jr> tdlfbx: if you don't trust your software, you're screwed.
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1047 2014-12-18 21:22:28 <tdlfbx> My point exactly.
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1051 2014-12-18 21:27:45 <jzk> tdlfbx: looks can be deceiving
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1054 2014-12-18 21:29:20 <tdlfbx> jzk: in what ways could looks NOT be deceiving.  Banks in Europe for instance show you an entry from your one-time-pad for each transaction.  Very hard to fake in software or MITM.
1055 2014-12-18 21:29:26 <Luke-Jr> tdlfbx: if you don't trust your software, you're screwed *regardless* of what you're saying
1056 2014-12-18 21:30:06 <kadoban> Sorry if off topic, but be careful bitcoin devs: https://github.com/blog/1938-git-client-vulnerability-announced  remote execution git vulnerability just announced (on case-insensitive filesystems)
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1058 2014-12-18 21:31:44 <Luke-Jr> oh, only c-i filesystems. I was expecting something more serious
1059 2014-12-18 21:31:58 <Luke-Jr> does anyone actually have c-i fs? XD
1060 2014-12-18 21:32:08 <ajweiss> stupid os x does
1061 2014-12-18 21:32:24 <kadoban> Haha, I dunno. I know OS X can, and Windows? Or did they finally change that at some point?
1062 2014-12-18 21:32:27 <harding> kadoban: thanks for the PSA.
1063 2014-12-18 21:32:32 <Luke-Jr> meh, if someone is running a proprietary OS, they're basically already compromised
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1065 2014-12-18 21:36:03 <dhill> like linux?
1066 2014-12-18 21:36:05 <dhill> :)
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1068 2014-12-18 21:37:31 <Luke-Jr> dhill: Linux isn't proprietary.
1069 2014-12-18 21:38:53 <dhill> oh, yes, you are correct.. for some reason i was thinking binary blob
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1093 2014-12-18 22:02:06 <dhill> https://github.com/blog/1938-vulnerability-announced-update-your-git-clients
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1097 2014-12-18 22:05:45 * tdlfbx does a git pull.
1098 2014-12-18 22:05:51 * tdlfbx realizes his mistake and screams in horror
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1102 2014-12-18 22:06:23 <gwillen> Note that you are only affected if your filesystem is case-insensitive (as far as I know.)
1103 2014-12-18 22:06:24 <paveljanik> dhill, OOps
1104 2014-12-18 22:06:44 <gwillen> so if you're on linux with a reasonable filesystem you're ok.
1105 2014-12-18 22:06:46 <paveljanik> yup
1106 2014-12-18 22:06:51 <paveljanik> and this is OS X default
1107 2014-12-18 22:07:00 <paveljanik> but it is unusable so people don't use it 8)
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1124 2014-12-18 22:24:34 <Diablo-D3> https://github.com/blog/1938-git-client-vulnerability-announced
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1129 2014-12-18 22:34:24 <hearn> given that the first thing people do after a git checkout is generally run large piles of code written by someone else, i can't get too excited by such a bug
1130 2014-12-18 22:34:33 * hearn updates anyway
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1133 2014-12-18 22:35:45 <BlueMatt> hearn: well, at least some of us arent too trigger-happy on that front :p
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1147 2014-12-18 22:57:08 <hearn> BlueMatt: don't hate me but i'm writing a dns seed :)
1148 2014-12-18 22:57:15 <hearn> BlueMatt: (actually https seed)
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1150 2014-12-18 22:57:18 <BlueMatt> hearn: good!
1151 2014-12-18 22:57:24 <BlueMatt> ok, now I'm dissapointed :(
1152 2014-12-18 22:57:35 <hearn> well, dns is sort of a crappy mechanism to fetch peers anyway
1153 2014-12-18 22:57:35 <BlueMatt> why no dns?
1154 2014-12-18 22:57:40 <hearn> i might add dns
1155 2014-12-18 22:57:49 <BlueMatt> indeed, but it works, and we need more dnsseed operators
1156 2014-12-18 22:58:08 <BlueMatt> (ie fits into current infrastructure nicely)
1157 2014-12-18 22:58:28 <BlueMatt> note: there are still dragons hiding in that old net code with that kind of connection cycling, AFAIK
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1162 2014-12-18 22:59:48 <hearn> BlueMatt: it's been working OK for me so far. though i've only been crawling testnet
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1165 2014-12-18 23:00:03 <BlueMatt> well, its more of "let it run for a few days and see what happens" kind of dragons
1166 2014-12-18 23:00:07 <BlueMatt> memleaks and the like, afaik
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1174 2014-12-18 23:00:54 <BlueMatt> and open 20/100 connections per second and see how it blows up
1175 2014-12-18 23:01:56 <hearn> right, i haven't left it for a few days yet
1176 2014-12-18 23:02:31 <hearn> i've added a throttle for successful connects/sec, but there are so many dead ips being distributed in getaddr responses that even with hundreds of attempted connects/sec, it's hard to get more than about 5-6 successful connects/sec on testnet
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1179 2014-12-18 23:02:55 <BlueMatt> its pretty similarly hard on mainnet, actually
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1182 2014-12-18 23:03:00 <BlueMatt> not that bad, but not good
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