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  18 2014-12-29 00:24:33 <firelegend> In which file from the source is the code where a connection to other nodes is established and commands are exchanged?
  19 2014-12-29 00:26:28 <phantomcircuit> er
  20 2014-12-29 00:26:29 <phantomcircuit> 2014-12-29 00:26:07 ERROR: ReadBlockFromDisk : OpenBlockFile failed
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  22 2014-12-29 00:26:35 <sipa> phantomcircuit: ungood
  23 2014-12-29 00:26:49 <sipa> firelegend: net.cpp establishes connections
  24 2014-12-29 00:27:05 <sipa> firelegend: it also processes commands, but invokes main.cpp ProcessMessages to do the actual work
  25 2014-12-29 00:27:16 <firelegend> Thank you.
  26 2014-12-29 00:28:39 <phantomcircuit> sipa, this is v0.10.0rc1 with one modification
  27 2014-12-29 00:29:14 <sipa> phantomcircuit: being?
  28 2014-12-29 00:29:15 <phantomcircuit> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=B98qkrFB
  29 2014-12-29 00:29:28 <sipa> ok, that shouldn't cause it
  30 2014-12-29 00:29:32 <sipa> what did you do to get that?
  31 2014-12-29 00:30:28 <phantomcircuit> oh
  32 2014-12-29 00:30:30 <phantomcircuit> maybe it's ok
  33 2014-12-29 00:30:39 <phantomcircuit> it's from trying to use the rest api with a bad block hash
  34 2014-12-29 00:31:10 <sipa> ooh
  35 2014-12-29 00:31:58 <phantomcircuit> hah
  36 2014-12-29 00:32:01 <phantomcircuit> that was a bit...
  37 2014-12-29 00:32:16 <phantomcircuit> it's also syncing slowly over wifi
  38 2014-12-29 00:32:24 <phantomcircuit> didn't put them together
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  59 2014-12-29 01:14:05 <phantomcircuit> sipa, btw running this on wifi... on a plane
  60 2014-12-29 01:14:09 <phantomcircuit> it's still stalling
  61 2014-12-29 01:14:30 <phantomcircuit> is there someway to figure out if i've got all the headers, but not the blocks yet?
  62 2014-12-29 01:14:37 <sipa> getblockchaininfo
  63 2014-12-29 01:14:51 <sipa> it'll tell you the longest headers chain, and the longest block chain
  64 2014-12-29 01:14:58 <phantomcircuit>     "blocks" : 336194,
  65 2014-12-29 01:14:58 <phantomcircuit>     "headers" : 336398,
  66 2014-12-29 01:15:04 <sipa> close
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  68 2014-12-29 01:15:43 <phantomcircuit> sipa, it's been at 194 for about ten minutes now
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  72 2014-12-29 01:16:26 <phantomcircuit> im thinking this triggered some kind of traffic shaping
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  77 2014-12-29 01:20:33 <phantomcircuit> sipa, switched to a single node -connect and magic fixed
  78 2014-12-29 01:20:41 <phantomcircuit> i guess it looks like bittorrent or something
  79 2014-12-29 01:20:47 <phantomcircuit> which i guess is good?
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  82 2014-12-29 01:22:15 <sipa> phantomcircuit: should you be http://theoatmeal.com/comics/inflight_internet 'ing?
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  85 2014-12-29 01:23:11 <phantomcircuit> sipa, heh
  86 2014-12-29 01:23:33 <phantomcircuit> only mentioned it because it's relevant to why that wouldn't be working
  87 2014-12-29 01:23:46 <phantomcircuit> im sure there's traffic shaping
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 124 2014-12-29 02:19:50 <theymos> Currently it's possible to do multisig and CoinJoin with Bitcoin Core, but it's really inconvenient because you have to deal with raw transactions and manually select outputs using listunspent. I've been thinking that it might be a good idea to create a new address format for incomplete transactions (like the transactions output by createrawtransaction). If you try to send to one of these addresses,
 125 2014-12-29 02:19:50 <theymos>  Bitcoin Core should either sign the inputs that already exist in the transaction (if some of the inputs are "mine"), or else automatically select inputs to add and sign according to the BTC amount entered by the user (if none of the inputs are "mine"). (Maybe more cases than these two would be necessary.) This seems like an especially easy way to make CoinJoin and multisig more widespread, since th
 126 2014-12-29 02:19:50 <theymos> ird-party programs or websites would be able to just give users one of these incomplete transactions to sign instead of handling BTC themselves, expecting users to deal with raw transactions, or modifying Bitcoin Core to do CoinJoin or multisig itself. Has this idea already been thought about?
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 130 2014-12-29 02:22:53 <Luke-Jr> doesn't sound worth the implementation cost when just implementing CoinJoin directly is possible, IMO
 131 2014-12-29 02:23:44 <sipa> theymos: there's work around adding a 'fundrawtransaction' which basically just does input coin selection for a given set of outputs
 132 2014-12-29 02:24:38 <jgarzik> sipa, Related: I want to add that to bitcoin-tx
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 135 2014-12-29 02:24:57 <sipa> jgarzik: yup, that has been suggested too :)
 136 2014-12-29 02:25:08 <jgarzik> (since before 'fundrawtransaction' even existed)
 137 2014-12-29 02:25:23 <jgarzik> Months ago we talked about a 'buildrawtransaction' that worked at a higher level, including coin selection
 138 2014-12-29 02:25:24 <sipa> jgarzik: that there would be a wallet version in RPC (which uses the wallet's available outputs), and a -tx version where you give the list of available inputs
 139 2014-12-29 02:25:42 <sipa> right, fundrawtransaction is basically buildrawtransaction minus createrawtransaction
 140 2014-12-29 02:25:48 <jgarzik> createrawtransaction is very low level, and adding safety features can be more difficult than with a new rpc
 141 2014-12-29 02:25:48 <sipa> making them maximally independent
 142 2014-12-29 02:26:38 <sipa> so you use createrawtransaction to add the outputs (but no inputs), and then fundrawtransaction to add inputs and change
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 145 2014-12-29 02:30:56 <jgarzik> sipa, ideally there is some point for safety checks, for too-large fees and such. hopefully fundrawtransaction can be the area for such checks?
 146 2014-12-29 02:31:13 <sipa> well you pass the fee explicitly to fundrawtransaction
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 148 2014-12-29 02:31:45 <sipa> (i haven't actually looked at the patch TBH, i may be making incorrect assumptions)
 149 2014-12-29 02:32:21 <theymos> Ah, looks like you're already thinking about this. Cool! I think that an address format + GUI support for this sort of thing would be really useful. Luke-Jr: I feel like adding CoinJoin to Bitcoin in a way that the masses can easily use would be a lot more difficult than adding this, since you all (rightly) like to do things the right way. GUI support for something like fundrawtransaction would allo
 150 2014-12-29 02:32:21 <theymos> w third-party services to do CoinJoin (and other things) in a more "wrong" way, but quicker.
 151 2014-12-29 02:32:47 <sipa> the hard thing about CoinJoin is not the mixing, but the protocol and interaction with others
 152 2014-12-29 02:33:11 <theymos> Yeah. Are there any good proposals for decentralized CoinJoin matchmaking?
 153 2014-12-29 02:33:16 <sipa> no clue
 154 2014-12-29 02:33:22 <sipa> gmaxwell may know
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 156 2014-12-29 02:35:16 <Luke-Jr> is the DarkWallet stuff "not good"?
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 158 2014-12-29 02:35:23 <belcher> theymos im working on something
 159 2014-12-29 02:35:26 <belcher> sec
 160 2014-12-29 02:35:28 * sipa .sleep(28000);
 161 2014-12-29 02:35:38 <belcher> this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg9384411#msg9384411
 162 2014-12-29 02:35:51 <belcher> well, not decentralized
 163 2014-12-29 02:35:58 <belcher> but has the right incentives, probably
 164 2014-12-29 02:35:58 <Luke-Jr> sipa: this is an odd number to sleep
 165 2014-12-29 02:36:32 <sipa> you don't often sleep 7 hours, 46 minutes and 40 seconds?
 166 2014-12-29 02:36:42 <Luke-Jr> sipa: no, usually a multiple of 45 minutes is best
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 168 2014-12-29 02:37:23 <theymos> Luke-Jr: DarkWallet is 100% centralized at the moment AFAIK. It relies on the Obelisk server to do matchmaking. So the Obelisk server can unmask everyone if it's evil.
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 170 2014-12-29 02:37:33 <Luke-Jr> theymos: ah, nuts
 171 2014-12-29 02:37:40 <theymos> belcher: I'll check that out, thanks.
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 174 2014-12-29 02:40:48 <theymos> belcher: I agree with your proposal entirely, and it's something that I've also thought about, but it doesn't address the issue of centralization.
 175 2014-12-29 02:41:17 <belcher> it could be done on a DHT at some point for the decentral
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 177 2014-12-29 02:41:46 <belcher> though right im now coding it on an irc channel, open outcry trading pit style
 178 2014-12-29 02:42:01 <gmaxwell> sipa: instead of the point add taking a null for the scale, why not have two point add functions?
 179 2014-12-29 02:42:23 <sipa> gmaxwell: i didn't touch dettman's code :)
 180 2014-12-29 02:42:40 <gmaxwell> sipa: yes, but you've read it. Was there a reason to have a single function that I was missing?
 181 2014-12-29 02:42:48 <sipa> code duplication
 182 2014-12-29 02:43:14 <belcher> theymos also the centralization of irc doesnt allow the irc server to do much harm (eavesdrop), since you can encrypt end-to-end
 183 2014-12-29 02:43:19 <gmaxwell> also you did add a normalize.
 184 2014-12-29 02:43:32 <sipa> gmaxwell: yes, because tests failed otherwise :D
 185 2014-12-29 02:43:41 <belcher> but yes i agree, would be better without centralization
 186 2014-12-29 02:43:46 <theymos> belcher: The problem with more open networks is that an attacker could create so many identities that you're likely to do joins where all of your partners are the attacker. Then the attacker knows which outputs are yours. You somehow need to ensure that at least a handful of your CoinJoin partners are not working together.
 187 2014-12-29 02:43:54 <gmaxwell> belcher: a centeralized meeting place makes it possible for someone controlling it to make sure you only meet their clones.
 188 2014-12-29 02:44:45 <sipa> and if you already know and trust the peers you're going to communicate with (to make the analogy with irc + end-to-end encryption), you don't need a matchmaker anymore, only a broadcast channel
 189 2014-12-29 02:45:28 <belcher> gmaxwell you could check for that by trying to connect yourself, seeing if your other connection shows up (though how many people will do this? probably none)
 190 2014-12-29 02:45:36 <sipa> gmaxwell: anyway, there are plenty of cleanups possible; some things moved to utility functions, reused, some unused functions, ...
 191 2014-12-29 02:47:03 <belcher> theymos sybils are not free to create, since you need to own as many bitcoins as you want to coinjoin at once
 192 2014-12-29 02:47:21 <belcher> also sybils coinjoining still improve privacy against other sybils
 193 2014-12-29 02:47:56 <belcher> if bitcoiners are happy that mining power is proportional to cpu/asic power, i presume they might be happy with coinjoining power being proportional to bitcoin ownership
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 195 2014-12-29 02:48:53 <belcher> err, sybils are 'free' to create but they have a cost, is what i meant
 196 2014-12-29 02:49:19 <gmaxwell> Yes, sure. It's just important to be clear on the tradeoffs. You'd said that the centeral server was harmless. It's not-- it's not so harmful as to make such a thing usless though.
 197 2014-12-29 02:49:36 <belcher> yes, ok
 198 2014-12-29 02:53:35 <theymos> belcher: Good point, though I'm not sure that the cost of the CoinJoin alone would be a huge barrier, since CoinJoined BTC can be immediately reused. I wonder if it would be helpful in an otherwise Sybil-vulnerable system to have all CoinJoin transactions somehow made unspendable for a while.
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 200 2014-12-29 02:54:46 <belcher> i could be wrong, but i thought you need to wait at least one block because of tx malleability, otherwise you dont know which hash to make the input
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 206 2014-12-29 03:04:07 <gmaxwell> malleabilty is more or less irrelevant there. You may not want to permit recently created txouts.
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 209 2014-12-29 03:08:41 <belcher> why may i not? just to artificially increase the time that coinjoined btc is locked up
 210 2014-12-29 03:09:10 <belcher> its possible to do, just program the default behavour of coinjoin-initiators to not initate if the other party's utxo is not already in a block
 211 2014-12-29 03:11:13 <belcher> actually there is a slight incentive for users to reprogram and remove that restriction, reducing the time the btc is locked up would make the coinjoin fees lower, though its only slight since it doesnt benefit the individual coinjoin initiator
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 218 2014-12-29 03:18:58 <Someguy123> does anyone here know why there is an "internal" and "external" account in BitcoinJS? https://github.com/bitcoinjs/bitcoinjs-lib/blob/master/src/wallet.js
 219 2014-12-29 03:23:56 <Luke-Jr> Someguy123: internal = change
 220 2014-12-29 03:25:06 <Luke-Jr> (I confirmed this in a matter of seconds by searching the code for "internal")
 221 2014-12-29 03:25:22 <Someguy123> Luke-Jr: that's what I thought, but I was a little unsure
 222 2014-12-29 03:25:54 <Luke-Jr> Someguy123: also see https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0032.mediawiki#The_default_wallet_layout
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 226 2014-12-29 03:44:07 <gmaxwell> belcher: what? locked up? huh? no.
 227 2014-12-29 03:44:21 <gmaxwell> I mean you shouldn't join with immature inputs, because it increases the risk the transaction will be invalidated.
 228 2014-12-29 03:44:30 <gmaxwell> And also because it creates a rate limit on a sybil attacker.
 229 2014-12-29 03:45:22 <belcher> yep ok
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 247 2014-12-29 04:37:47 <s1w> Someguy123: also there's #bitcoinjs-dev with the lead devs in there :)
 248 2014-12-29 04:38:20 <Someguy123> oh, awesome
 249 2014-12-29 04:38:24 <Someguy123> thanks s1w
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 372 2014-12-29 08:02:47 <wumpus> sipa: feel free to post an announcement there, I've had no time to make one
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 394 2014-12-29 08:21:38 <wumpus> interesting
 395 2014-12-29 08:31:25 <jonasschnelli> the http seeder seams not to be a bad idea... lost of DNS anonymity of course, but maybe a more robust way of seeding.
 396 2014-12-29 08:32:04 <wumpus> I don't recall any seeding problems in the first place
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 400 2014-12-29 08:34:13 <jonasschnelli> the service flag might be out of scope for a seeder, create unnecessary complexity. Should be done within a app IMO not within a seeder.
 401 2014-12-29 08:34:21 <wumpus> anyhow it's nice that he does experimentation in his own branch, maybe he could show how this works better at some point
 402 2014-12-29 08:35:08 <wumpus> it could also be used as a fallback, if the node can't contact DNS seeds it could try fetching a node list through http(s)
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 404 2014-12-29 08:36:36 <wumpus> anyhow I'm not worried there, it's not urgent, maybe more for phone-based SPV clients, those tend to have weirder networks
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 409 2014-12-29 08:37:49 <jonasschnelli> wumpus, yes. some lighthouse features...
 410 2014-12-29 08:38:36 <jonasschnelli> wumpus, but IMO doesn't belog to a seeder. If the feature is not in the protocol, then it's not. Service-Bitmask might break up the p2p net in different "classes"
 411 2014-12-29 08:39:58 <wumpus> jonasschnelli: well re: getutxo, we agree it should not be in the protocol in the first place, if he went through all this trouble he could just as well have made the program advertise a separate kind of 'SPV-advanced-query' service that doesn't go over the P2P network at all
 412 2014-12-29 08:40:12 <wumpus> jonasschnelli: or even implemented the getutxo functionality on the seed http servers
 413 2014-12-29 08:41:21 <jonasschnelli> wumpus, of test and deploy https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5420
 414 2014-12-29 08:41:26 <jonasschnelli> s/of/or
 415 2014-12-29 08:41:59 <wumpus> sure
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 418 2014-12-29 08:49:23 <jonasschnelli> i think https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/5126 can be closed.
 419 2014-12-29 08:50:36 <wumpus> thanks
 420 2014-12-29 08:55:35 <jonasschnelli> also solved: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/5250
 421 2014-12-29 08:56:53 <jonasschnelli> solved: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3396
 422 2014-12-29 08:57:58 <wumpus> hah
 423 2014-12-29 08:58:52 <jonasschnelli> same for: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3182
 424 2014-12-29 08:59:17 <wumpus> app nap is solved?
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 427 2014-12-29 08:59:37 <jonasschnelli> app nap IMO is not possible for bitcoind...
 428 2014-12-29 08:59:49 <wumpus> yes but does it not happen anymore?
 429 2014-12-29 09:00:18 <jonasschnelli> was disabled in #5041
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 431 2014-12-29 09:00:28 <wumpus> ok thanks :)
 432 2014-12-29 09:01:04 <jonasschnelli> app nap could come back when there is a option to temp. suspend bitcoind's activity (like network toggle).
 433 2014-12-29 09:01:13 <jonasschnelli> but this is another thing..
 434 2014-12-29 09:02:12 <jonasschnelli> sloved: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3292
 435 2014-12-29 09:02:56 <wumpus> good to close some issues once in a while :)
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 437 2014-12-29 09:03:48 <jonasschnelli> still 319 open. :)
 438 2014-12-29 09:04:32 <fanquake> killing all the osx issues are we
 439 2014-12-29 09:05:35 <jonasschnelli> my current close-issue-filter. :)
 440 2014-12-29 09:05:43 <fanquake> as for app nap, I don’t think we’d be bringing it back unless we were going to introduce alot more osx specific code into the codebase, which I don’t think we want todo.
 441 2014-12-29 09:05:56 <fanquake> heh my inbox is overflowing
 442 2014-12-29 09:06:28 <wumpus> I'm currently more worried about the 6 pages of pull requests,  we could use some help with testing/review there
 443 2014-12-29 09:06:45 <fanquake> #3399 could probably be closed too
 444 2014-12-29 09:07:01 <wumpus> fanquake: agreed on the app nap, it just doesn't seem so important
 445 2014-12-29 09:07:49 <wumpus> independently of OS options for e.g. limiting bandwidth, or bandwidth quotas for serving blocks, would be nice though
 446 2014-12-29 09:08:26 <fanquake> #4596 Can be closed as well.
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 449 2014-12-29 09:09:50 <jonasschnelli> wumpus: the limiting bandwidth discussion was already hold wasn't it? Some people said it's more a router QoS thing.
 450 2014-12-29 09:10:11 <wumpus> jonasschnelli: it was waiting for headers-first rollout
 451 2014-12-29 09:11:03 <wumpus> after 0.10 is out and has some adoption, implementing bandwidth limiting would be OK, it will no longer get held up by a single slow node
 452 2014-12-29 09:11:12 <jonasschnelli> fanquake, wumpus agree with "#4596 Can be closed as well."
 453 2014-12-29 09:11:33 <jonasschnelli> same for 3399
 454 2014-12-29 09:13:18 <fanquake> #5553 can also be closed
 455 2014-12-29 09:17:09 <jonasschnelli> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5549 is a trivial merge
 456 2014-12-29 09:18:05 <fanquake> heh how did that get miseed in #4603
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 458 2014-12-29 09:19:03 <jonasschnelli> fanquake, yes. Shouldn't raise that a warning while compiling?!
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 462 2014-12-29 09:38:36 <wumpus> it's a trivial merge but the repliers wonder whether that declaration is necessary at all as it compiles without
 463 2014-12-29 09:38:46 <Luke-Jr> ThomasZ: FWIW, NACK isn't really appropriate for code-change requests
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 465 2014-12-29 09:39:46 <Luke-Jr> fanquake: your screenshots are of unmodified parts O.o
 466 2014-12-29 09:39:57 <ThomasZ> Luke-Jr: Yeah, it should have been on the merge request, not the commit.  Github UI is new to me :)  At least I added a reason behind it, so the idea is clear, no?
 467 2014-12-29 09:40:23 <Luke-Jr> ThomasZ: my point is that the merge request gets updated with changes; so just comment on what needs changing is best
 468 2014-12-29 09:40:28 <Luke-Jr> yes, looking into them now
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 470 2014-12-29 09:40:41 <ThomasZ> ah ok
 471 2014-12-29 09:40:52 <jonasschnelli> fanquake, you did the wrong screenshots: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5551#issuecomment-68243550
 472 2014-12-29 09:40:54 <Luke-Jr> ThomasZ: do you have an example foreach? the Qt docs recommended I do it by emptying the list
 473 2014-12-29 09:41:27 <ThomasZ> foreach (const QString &foo, myStringlist) { qDebug() << foo; }
 474 2014-12-29 09:41:33 <jonasschnelli> fanquake, it's the unit selector in the statusbar at the very bottom
 475 2014-12-29 09:41:41 <Luke-Jr> thanks
 476 2014-12-29 09:42:00 <ThomasZ> Luke-Jr: in this case the const ref is not needed, I guess, since its an native type (enum) instead of a class.
 477 2014-12-29 09:42:42 <Luke-Jr> ThomasZ: shrug, slightly more readable and nice to have for compiler checks
 478 2014-12-29 09:43:11 <Luke-Jr> how is qMax cheaper btw? :o
 479 2014-12-29 09:43:25 <jonasschnelli> wumpus, #5549: rename or remove the CheckWork() definition.
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 481 2014-12-29 09:44:08 <jonasschnelli> rename (merge the pull) would keep the (more or less) example code as it is.
 482 2014-12-29 09:45:03 <wumpus> jonasschnelli: if the definition is not used externally it can be made static and removed from the .h file
 483 2014-12-29 09:46:00 <Luke-Jr> ThomasZ: I think using QFontMetrics is premature optimisation with a risk (that the label may end up using a different font than expected for whatever reason)
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 485 2014-12-29 09:46:22 <ThomasZ> Luke-Jr: if the label ends up with a different font, your solution also won't work
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 487 2014-12-29 09:46:37 <Luke-Jr> ThomasZ: why not? it's actually using the label as the information source
 488 2014-12-29 09:47:00 <Luke-Jr> or perhaps rather than a different font, a more likely risk is margins or padding
 489 2014-12-29 09:47:18 <ThomasZ> at point n in time,  and if at point n+1 your font changes the information its no longer valid.
 490 2014-12-29 09:47:30 <wumpus> maybe it's now clear why images were used; images also leave open the option to use e.g. symbols later
 491 2014-12-29 09:47:33 <Luke-Jr> sure, I meant if it's different font from the start
 492 2014-12-29 09:47:52 <ThomasZ> in Qt layouts have padding, the label doesn't.
 493 2014-12-29 09:48:19 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: symbols should also be text ;)
 494 2014-12-29 09:48:20 <ThomasZ> the 2 lines are functionally equivalent to doing a setText(), just with a shit-load of code not being used. Including a repaint.
 495 2014-12-29 09:48:51 <Luke-Jr> ThomasZ: in the current version of Qt
 496 2014-12-29 09:49:10 <ThomasZ> QLabel is end-of-life. Its behavior won't change.
 497 2014-12-29 09:49:49 <wumpus> if a settext works, please just use a settext
 498 2014-12-29 09:49:50 <ThomasZ> and also in the last 15 years of Qt, not just the current ;)
 499 2014-12-29 09:50:05 <ThomasZ> setText has side effects
 500 2014-12-29 09:50:33 <ThomasZ> Whats so hard copy-pasting the two lines I wrote to avoid your code being slow?
 501 2014-12-29 09:51:08 <wumpus> BTW we *had* text labels for units at some point
 502 2014-12-29 09:51:20 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: we did?
 503 2014-12-29 09:51:22 <wumpus> anyone remember why this was switched to images in the first place?
 504 2014-12-29 09:52:38 <Luke-Jr> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4466
 505 2014-12-29 09:52:53 <ThomasZ> it didn't seem to do any max-width concept back then.
 506 2014-12-29 09:52:56 <wumpus> wouldn't want to merge this to have the original concerns that spawned this back
 507 2014-12-29 09:53:12 <ThomasZ> I defnitely prefer the non-images approach
 508 2014-12-29 09:53:17 <jonasschnelli> 4466 was a bad merge... :)
 509 2014-12-29 09:53:35 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: looks like it was a hack due to font sizing and positioning issues
 510 2014-12-29 09:53:58 <wumpus> I don't care, I just don't want it to change every day :p
 511 2014-12-29 09:54:50 <Luke-Jr> requesting cozz ACK it
 512 2014-12-29 09:54:56 <wumpus> having an edit-war in the source code, especially for some silly issue, is unconstructive
 513 2014-12-29 09:54:57 <wumpus> ok
 514 2014-12-29 09:55:09 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: you are opposed to QFontMetrics, or just opposed to further debate over it?
 515 2014-12-29 09:55:18 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: I'm not opposed to anything!
 516 2014-12-29 09:55:28 <Luke-Jr> re [09:50:37] <wumpus> if a settext works, please just use a settext
 517 2014-12-29 09:55:32 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: I think it makes sense if you do this to make it as fast as possible
 518 2014-12-29 09:55:40 <ThomasZ> wumpus: I don't think this qualifies as an edit-war. :)  Just one solution (images) being good, this solution being better.
 519 2014-12-29 09:55:50 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: if that doesn't create crazy code complexity, of course
 520 2014-12-29 09:55:57 <Luke-Jr> it simplifies the code, actually
 521 2014-12-29 09:56:10 <Luke-Jr> eg http://codepad.org/TJFBc8iX
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 523 2014-12-29 09:57:24 <Luke-Jr> I don't care strongly either way. wumpus, your call :p
 524 2014-12-29 09:57:24 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: I was reacting to ThomasZ who said that it was effectively the same
 525 2014-12-29 09:57:41 <wumpus> *if* everything else is equal, a simple settext call wins
 526 2014-12-29 09:57:52 <ThomasZ> Luke-Jr: looks good
 527 2014-12-29 09:58:05 <Luke-Jr> I have no doubt settext is slower - but it's executed once, so that's trivial
 528 2014-12-29 09:58:24 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: looks good to me too
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 530 2014-12-29 09:59:17 <ThomasZ> wumpus: yeah, that was a bad choice of words on my end. setText has hundreds of lines of code, and creates a paint event. Only one of these lines of code we needed.
 531 2014-12-29 09:59:30 <Luke-Jr> ok, pushed those changes
 532 2014-12-29 10:00:06 <wumpus> ThomasZ: ok, in any case thanks for sharing your qt expertise
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 578 2014-12-29 12:13:28 <btcdrak> sorry in advance for my post to the dev list just now, but I feel I had to call hearn out.
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 582 2014-12-29 12:16:52 <gmaxwell> your message has shown up here, but I generally take it as a sign that I probably shouldn't send something if I feel I need to apologize for it.
 583 2014-12-29 12:18:26 <Luke-Jr> ^
 584 2014-12-29 12:19:34 <btcdrak> I dont feel the need to apologize for the content just that I would prefer the development list stick to technical discussions. Unfortunately it seems necessary to divert occasionally.
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 586 2014-12-29 12:22:05 <Luke-Jr> let's take this to #bitcoin ?
 587 2014-12-29 12:22:42 <gmaxwell> Keep in mind that the list isn't full of idiots, and we see all the messages too. When it comes to opinions about other people we're all able to draw our own conclusions. 'calling out' just creates a circus and factionalism when some people who's opinions were on the border feel sympathy for someone who was attacked, so it's usually not productive. (I still haven't seen the message but...) I'd genera
 588 2014-12-29 12:22:48 <gmaxwell> lly advise calling people out in private, if you must.
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 682 2014-12-29 14:37:37 <JWU42> for testing 0.10 - make more sense to upgrade from 0.9.3 or start fresh to "test" the newer features of headers first?
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 684 2014-12-29 14:40:18 <fanquake> luke-jr jonasschnelli Yea I noticed I screenshotted the wrong bits heh
 685 2014-12-29 14:40:33 <fanquake> Looks like there’s plenty of the right screens there now though
 686 2014-12-29 14:42:48 <wumpus> JWU42: both are worthwhile, the advantage of starting afresh is that you can just throw away the state if you want to go back to 0.9.3
 687 2014-12-29 14:43:13 <wumpus> JWU42: ie, remember the block database downgrade warning in the release notes
 688 2014-12-29 14:43:58 <fanquake> wumpus What’s the quickest full sync you’ve seen with headers first?
 689 2014-12-29 14:44:11 <wumpus> fanquake: four hours or so
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 700 2014-12-29 14:57:05 <gmaxwell> fanquake: 2.5 hours here.
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 705 2014-12-29 14:58:14 <wumpus> even a reindex takes longer than that, here
 706 2014-12-29 14:59:04 <helo> on a pretty unremarkable spinny disk 4-core i5 system, full network sync took 5.3h on friday
 707 2014-12-29 14:59:10 <gmaxwell> 16gb/ 4x i7 @ 3.2ghz + ssd.
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 709 2014-12-29 15:02:59 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: reindex could potentially be slower, since you're reading and writing at the same time
 710 2014-12-29 15:03:02 <JWU42> POS dedibox witha  via 1.6 GHz - i am guessing 12 hours
 711 2014-12-29 15:03:32 <JWU42> trying to recall how to set a new datadir for the 0.10.0 install
 712 2014-12-29 15:03:38 <gmaxwell> JWU42: IO speed matters a lot of vps/hosted things have networked storage, (sometimes even things branded as dedicated)
 713 2014-12-29 15:03:47 <midnightmagic> 38 hours on a single-core 1.6GHz PPC and counting! :-D
 714 2014-12-29 15:03:58 <JWU42> gmaxwell: yeah - the IO is even worse
 715 2014-12-29 15:04:27 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: lol my PPC host takes about 29 hours.
 716 2014-12-29 15:04:31 <JWU42> midnightmagic: that is probably more accurate for mine
 717 2014-12-29 15:04:36 <JWU42> oh well - time to get started
 718 2014-12-29 15:04:58 <midnightmagic> well the network is stabilized now so hopefully i'll be having no more of those segfaults
 719 2014-12-29 15:05:00 <Luke-Jr> dunno, did VIA ever make any half-decent CPUs? XD
 720 2014-12-29 15:05:14 <midnightmagic> no, the K6 line were utter, utter trash.
 721 2014-12-29 15:05:20 <Luke-Jr> at least G5s were good for their time
 722 2014-12-29 15:05:42 <midnightmagic> PPC pound-for-pound for a long time were superior floating-point devices.
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 727 2014-12-29 15:09:30 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: well, reindex doesn't write blocks, but yes it's reading and writing at the same time
 728 2014-12-29 15:10:46 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: just writing lets the OS put the data all together
 729 2014-12-29 15:11:06 <Luke-Jr> but reindex might be reading from one spot, and have to write to a far-off spot
 730 2014-12-29 15:11:17 <wumpus> true
 731 2014-12-29 15:11:41 <wumpus> I suppose you could avoid that by having the blocks and the database on different media
 732 2014-12-29 15:11:54 <Luke-Jr> maybe
 733 2014-12-29 15:12:20 <Luke-Jr> I foresee if someone writes a guide/advice for that, n00bs will start using two partitions on the same drive :P
 734 2014-12-29 15:12:32 <wumpus> hahaha
 735 2014-12-29 15:13:12 <midnightmagic> readahead could, conceivably, be triggered more often in the event the data is clustered around itself more contiguously.
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 740 2014-12-29 15:23:11 <JWU42> if I specify a different -conf location for 0.10 will the datadir still tyr to default to ~/.bitcoin/ ?
 741 2014-12-29 15:23:31 <helo> i would hope so
 742 2014-12-29 15:23:40 <JWU42> I can't seem to specify the datadir properly when launching bitcoind (for 0.10.0)
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 748 2014-12-29 15:24:02 <JWU42> I'll try specifying the datadir in the .conf instead
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 750 2014-12-29 15:25:04 <JackH> !lastseen jgarzik
 751 2014-12-29 15:25:05 <gribble> Error: "lastseen" is not a valid command.
 752 2014-12-29 15:25:05 <wumpus> -conf does not influence -datadir
 753 2014-12-29 15:25:08 <JackH> !help
 754 2014-12-29 15:25:08 <gribble> The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
 755 2014-12-29 15:25:16 <helo> i set datadir in ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf fwiw
 756 2014-12-29 15:25:45 <Luke-Jr> JackH: /msg gribble seen #bitcoin-dev jgarzik
 757 2014-12-29 15:26:04 <JackH> ah yes, pm so I dont spam the room up
 758 2014-12-29 15:26:07 <JackH> thanks
 759 2014-12-29 15:28:18 <wumpus> helo: that should work fine too, you can specify datadir in the configuration file unless you specify datadir on the command line
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 763 2014-12-29 15:30:44 <JWU42> it won't load the .conf either from command line
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 765 2014-12-29 15:31:38 <JWU42> using a ~/. tries to load /home/user/.bitcoin/~/.bitcoinbeta/
 766 2014-12-29 15:31:45 <JWU42> and specifying full path still errors about no rpcpassword (as if it isn't loading the .conf)
 767 2014-12-29 15:31:51 <JWU42> weird
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 775 2014-12-29 15:33:00 <wumpus> don't use ~
 776 2014-12-29 15:33:05 <wumpus> either specify the full path, or use $HOME
 777 2014-12-29 15:33:26 <wumpus> (and that will only work on the command line, not in bitcoin.conf)
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 780 2014-12-29 15:34:01 <JWU42> even the full path isn't working
 781 2014-12-29 15:34:05 <JackH> JWU42 try to "find / -name bitcoin.conf" and see what it returns
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 783 2014-12-29 15:35:57 <JWU42> oh crap
 784 2014-12-29 15:35:59 <wumpus> JWU42: what is the exact command line that you are using?
 785 2014-12-29 15:36:02 <JWU42> pebkac
 786 2014-12-29 15:36:07 <wumpus> ok
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 790 2014-12-29 15:36:23 <JWU42> when doing full path
 791 2014-12-29 15:36:25 <JWU42> heh
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 814 2014-12-29 16:23:00 <jgarzik> Glad to see hearn's Bitcoin-XT patchset
 815 2014-12-29 16:23:30 <jgarzik> It's good to see competition and added testing of patches that people would like to propose for Bitcoin Core
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 818 2014-12-29 16:34:33 <sipa> does anyone know when BIP34 (block v2)'s 75 and 95% thresholds were crossed?
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 821 2014-12-29 16:35:09 <gmaxwell> sipa: going to hard code the rule to avoid the costly check for every block?
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 823 2014-12-29 16:35:23 <sipa> nope, updating http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/18851/what-bips-are-supported-by-the-standard-client-bitcoin-core/34213#34213
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 825 2014-12-29 16:35:30 <sipa> though that's a good idea too!
 826 2014-12-29 16:37:15 <gmaxwell> I wonder if it was ever violated? e.g. maybe we can just enforce it for all v2 blocks, and enforce v2ness after the last v1 block
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 849 2014-12-29 17:14:29 <jgarzik> Odd bug report
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 851 2014-12-29 17:15:02 <jgarzik> On Windows, there is a claim that Bitcoin-QT handles URIs beginning with "m" correctly, but not ones beginning with "n"
 852 2014-12-29 17:15:12 <jgarzik> w/ -testnet
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 854 2014-12-29 17:18:11 <wumpus> ok, strange, any example of an address that doesn't work?
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 857 2014-12-29 17:20:20 <jgarzik> Trying to get that...
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 859 2014-12-29 17:27:40 <wumpus> it did become stricter with checking but any valid testnet address should be fine
 860 2014-12-29 17:28:35 <wumpus> I'm sure we don't even look at the first letter
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 869 2014-12-29 17:42:47 <proserpine-> why isn't watchonly working - importaddress "1CjPR7Z5ZSyWk6WtXvSFgkptmpoi4UM9BC" "" false -> getbalance "" 0 true -> 0.00000000
 870 2014-12-29 17:43:39 <proserpine-> or should i rescan?
 871 2014-12-29 17:43:42 <sipa> yes
 872 2014-12-29 17:43:54 <sipa> typically, you import the address before handing it out to anyone
 873 2014-12-29 17:44:00 <sipa> so you know there are no transactions to it yet
 874 2014-12-29 17:44:12 <proserpine-> damnit... isn't there a faster way to get utxo set of an address?
 875 2014-12-29 17:44:13 <sipa> if there may be existing transactions to it, you need to rescan
 876 2014-12-29 17:44:16 <sipa> no
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 878 2014-12-29 17:44:41 <proserpine-> shit.. back to using 0.9.3 with getutxo patch
 879 2014-12-29 17:44:42 <proserpine-> :(
 880 2014-12-29 17:44:44 <sipa> heh
 881 2014-12-29 17:44:53 <sipa> you can still use gettxout
 882 2014-12-29 17:45:04 <sipa> if you know the txid
 883 2014-12-29 17:45:10 <gmaxwell> getutxo doesn't do address lookup either.
 884 2014-12-29 17:45:35 <proserpine-> if only getttxout worked with addresses
 885 2014-12-29 17:45:46 <sipa> what is the use case?
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 893 2014-12-29 17:48:02 <sipa> proserpine-: if you just needs an address-indexed UTXO set (which doesn't work with unconfirmed transactions etc), there is a patch to add that directly
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 895 2014-12-29 17:48:50 <sipa> importaddress uses the wallet functionality, which is higher level, but provides full ledger history, total balance, coin selection, and works with unconfirmed transactions
 896 2014-12-29 17:49:06 <sipa> the downside is that it only tracks; it doesn't index
 897 2014-12-29 17:49:11 <proserpine-> right
 898 2014-12-29 17:49:29 <proserpine-> i am using https://github.com/cozz/bitcoin/commit/7ab90446cc1f013f38e943056f04c5f1a36505de currently
 899 2014-12-29 17:49:33 <proserpine-> works great
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 901 2014-12-29 17:49:50 <sipa> right, that's the patch i was referring to
 902 2014-12-29 17:50:29 <gmaxwell> the cost of indexing all non-wallet txo is utterly enormous. e.g. takes the cost of running a node from 2 GB to closer to 35GB today. So, nothing that depends on this is going to be particularly scalable.
 903 2014-12-29 17:50:51 <sipa> gmaxwell: address-indexed UTXO != address-indexed txindex
 904 2014-12-29 17:51:41 <proserpine-> but both need to be enabled i think
 905 2014-12-29 17:51:49 <gmaxwell> sipa: thats true, though you can't get your history from that.
 906 2014-12-29 17:52:06 <sipa> proserpine-: i'm very strongly opposed to an address-indexed txindex
 907 2014-12-29 17:52:07 <proserpine-> utxo is relatively small compared to full tx index tho
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 910 2014-12-29 17:52:38 <sipa> proserpine-: it's a "too easy" solution, so it's really attractive to build services on top of it, but it scales terribly
 911 2014-12-29 17:52:41 <proserpine-> sipa: well its actually script indexed but meh
 912 2014-12-29 17:53:17 <proserpine-> easier than waiting for a rescan to finish
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 914 2014-12-29 17:53:24 <proserpine-> i mean faster*
 915 2014-12-29 17:53:32 <sipa> it depends on your use case
 916 2014-12-29 17:53:45 <sipa> do you need transaction history, or just querying spentness?
 917 2014-12-29 17:54:28 <sipa> and in any case, i don't believe it should be part of the bitcoin core codebase (but if there's a way to build indexing services on top of it, reusing part or all of the codebase, sure)
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 922 2014-12-29 18:06:43 <jonasschnelli> while checking sipas #5418: why does line 1057 not return/manupulate state.DoS() (line: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L1057)
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 924 2014-12-29 18:09:09 <sipa> rejectinsanefee is only enabled for locally-created transactions
 925 2014-12-29 18:09:32 <sipa> there's nothing bad about it, except for the sender who may be losing money
 926 2014-12-29 18:10:10 <gmaxwell> Also, DOS must _never_ be granted against a node who may have just differences in state or local policy causing the relay.
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 938 2014-12-29 18:20:48 <cfields> gavinandresen / wumpus: looks like i missed the code-signing fun. Any surprises?
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 967 2014-12-29 18:42:11 <sipa> gmaxwell: indeed, we never switched back
 968 2014-12-29 18:42:32 <sipa> the 75% treshold was reached since 224413, and the 95% treshold since 227931
 969 2014-12-29 18:42:36 <sipa> 20 days in between
 970 2014-12-29 18:43:15 <gmaxwell> were all blocks v2 in between the two?
 971 2014-12-29 18:43:28 <gmaxwell> oh I should subtract.
 972 2014-12-29 18:43:45 <gmaxwell> 3518 blocks, so yes, some must have been.
 973 2014-12-29 18:44:01 <gmaxwell> must have been v1, rather.
 974 2014-12-29 18:44:08 <sipa> the 75% treshold was exceeded for all blocks in between
 975 2014-12-29 18:44:29 <gmaxwell> where was the last v1 block?
 976 2014-12-29 18:44:47 <sipa> so the implementation can be simplified to "after 224431, enforce BIP34 for v2 blocks", "after 227931, enforce v2 blocks"
 977 2014-12-29 18:45:17 <gmaxwell> or even just the latter: "after 227931, enforce v2 blocks and BIP34"
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 980 2014-12-29 18:48:15 <sipa> in testnet it's even easier: bip34 after 21066, v2 after 21111
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 982 2014-12-29 18:49:58 <sipa> and no switch back in between either
 983 2014-12-29 18:50:01 <gmaxwell> why even bother with the two rules though? moving them both to one height is even simpler code.
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 985 2014-12-29 18:53:18 <sipa> ?
 986 2014-12-29 18:53:38 <sipa> there are non-v2 blocks to which bip34 does not apply in between the two switchover points
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 988 2014-12-29 18:56:23 <jonasschnelli> the thing is more that AcceptToMemoryPool / fRejectInsaneFee check won't give back a appropriate response during sendrawtransaction
 989 2014-12-29 18:56:30 <gmaxwell> sipa: sure, but why not just enforce everything at the higher point and none before.
 990 2014-12-29 18:56:42 <sipa> gmaxwell: ha!
 991 2014-12-29 18:56:59 <sipa> gmaxwell: too easy
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1003 2014-12-29 19:28:23 <michagogo> sipa: about that BIP stackexchange answer
1004 2014-12-29 19:28:35 <michagogo> It seems weird to be to say "since v0.10.0rc1"
1005 2014-12-29 19:28:46 <michagogo> You could also say "since v0.6.0rc1", for example
1006 2014-12-29 19:29:07 <michagogo> seems weird to me*
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1142 2014-12-29 23:58:01 <michagogo> 20:21:38 <cfields> gavinandresen / wumpus: looks like i missed the code-signing fun. Any surprises?
1143 2014-12-29 23:58:07 <michagogo> cfields: No, I don't think you did
1144 2014-12-29 23:58:25 <cfields> michagogo: great, thanks
1145 2014-12-29 23:58:26 <michagogo> I'm told Gavin just signed the os x build manually this time
1146 2014-12-29 23:59:24 <cfields> ok
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1148 2014-12-29 23:59:54 <michagogo> cfields: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/12/27#l1419704059
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