1 2014-12-30 00:00:32 <cfields> michagogo: thanks. and that's no prob. it can always be signed after-the-fact to verify that it works
   2 2014-12-30 00:00:39 <cfields> so we don't need to wait for rc2 to do that
   3 2014-12-30 00:00:44 <michagogo> Right.
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  26 2014-12-30 00:48:32 <sipa> michagogo: i intend to update it after 0.10.0 final
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  77 2014-12-30 01:52:47 <jtimon>  Updated #5180
  78 2014-12-30 01:54:37 <jtimon> Luke-Jr petertodd sipa may be interested
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  80 2014-12-30 01:56:54 <Luke-Jr> jtimon: it seems the wrong direction still
  81 2014-12-30 01:57:38 <Luke-Jr> there should be no such thing as a "standard" policy
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  83 2014-12-30 01:59:37 <jtimon> why not? the standard policy that exists today and people can overwrite
  84 2014-12-30 01:59:46 <jtimon> it's a start
  85 2014-12-30 02:01:05 <jtimon> maybe it shouldn't be in .h
  86 2014-12-30 02:01:19 <jtimon> only leave CPilicy there
  87 2014-12-30 02:01:23 <Luke-Jr> the goal is to make it easy for end nodes to customise
  88 2014-12-30 02:01:33 <jtimon> s/CPilicy/CPolicy
  89 2014-12-30 02:01:57 <jtimon> yes, without destroying the standard policy
  90 2014-12-30 02:02:24 <jtimon> or at least I believe that way it will be easier to merge
  91 2014-12-30 02:03:03 <Luke-Jr> without biasing toward the "standard" policy also
  92 2014-12-30 02:03:20 <jtimon> default policy standard, many other policies for the user to easily select
  93 2014-12-30 02:04:10 <Luke-Jr> I suppose that's more non-coder friendly.
  94 2014-12-30 02:04:10 <jtimon> right, but that may imply more discussion in changing the interface
  95 2014-12-30 02:04:41 <Luke-Jr> we already do have people confusing transaction standardness with IsStandard, though - so at the very least it should have a better name XD
  96 2014-12-30 02:05:54 <jtimon> note how my modification of your PR (nodepolicy_5180) changes the interface while #5180 itself doesn't
  97 2014-12-30 02:06:24 <Luke-Jr> I'm not sure named policies for non-coders make the most sense though: if there's a "nonstandard" policy and "cpfp" policy, what about people who want *both*?
  98 2014-12-30 02:06:50 <Luke-Jr> in that sense, it makes better sense to have a single default policy C++ code, with many flags
  99 2014-12-30 02:07:03 <jtimon> they have to create it by extending CPolicy or a subclass of it
 100 2014-12-30 02:07:36 <Luke-Jr> that's only coder-friendly; and coders might as well copy/paste the code they want in the first place
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 102 2014-12-30 02:08:19 <Luke-Jr> and even for coders, it's more work to do it that way >_<
 103 2014-12-30 02:08:32 <jtimon> well, I guess you can have UserFriendlyPolicy with many flags
 104 2014-12-30 02:08:45 <jtimon> but imposing that is coder-unfriendly
 105 2014-12-30 02:09:02 <Luke-Jr> not necessarily
 106 2014-12-30 02:09:19 <jtimon> coders can always extend UserFriendlyPolicy
 107 2014-12-30 02:09:44 <jtimon> UserFriendlyPolicy may even become the base in practice
 108 2014-12-30 02:10:26 <jtimon> but some coders may want to have their own policy that ignores 10 flags in UserFriendlyPolicy
 109 2014-12-30 02:10:33 <Luke-Jr> then they implement CNodePolicyBase
 110 2014-12-30 02:10:42 <Luke-Jr> (which is already in #5071)
 111 2014-12-30 02:12:37 <jtimon> it's also in #5180 (I mean, I could keep CheckTxPreInputs() and CheckTxWithInputs() out of CPolicy if that's the issue)
 112 2014-12-30 02:13:25 <jtimon> sorry for bikesheding: CNodePolicyBase -> CPolicy, CNodePolicy -> CStandardPolicy
 113 2014-12-30 02:14:18 <jtimon> StandardPolicy helps people that are changing very little, others can implement CPolicy from scartch
 114 2014-12-30 02:17:38 <jtimon> I should probably do it again without IsDust() for easier review (unless #5114 can be merged soon)...
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 116 2014-12-30 02:19:48 <Luke-Jr> sorry, falling asleep at my PC, going to go to bed and think it over tomorrow
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 121 2014-12-30 02:32:34 <jgarzik> "Anyone else seeing disk corruption with #bitcoin 0.10 ?" https://twitter.com/brantonbits/status/549754957248094208
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 123 2014-12-30 02:35:06 <fanquake> he’s on debian linux x64
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 145 2014-12-30 03:16:49 <Someguy123> ➜  js  browserify -r bitcoinjs-lib -s Bitcoin | uglifyjs > bitcoinjs.min.js
 146 2014-12-30 03:16:52 <Someguy123> Error: Cannot find module 'bitcoinjs-lib' from ‘/User/chris/Desktop/bitcoinjs’ bitcoinjs-lib is definitely installed globally, so I don't know why this is broken
 147 2014-12-30 03:17:06 <Someguy123> (yes I already asked in #bitcoinjs-dev, but it's dead in there)
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 186 2014-12-30 04:40:46 <arubi> Someguy123, not that it's related, and not that I know anything about Javascript, but assuming you're on osx, shouldn't the path be '/Users/..'?
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 189 2014-12-30 04:44:10 <Someguy123> arubi: I edited what i copied for privacy reasons, so ignore that location
 190 2014-12-30 04:44:12 <Someguy123> either way I fixed it
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 263 2014-12-30 08:02:07 <wumpus> cfields: no issues, but we also just signed the old-fashioned way this time
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 292 2014-12-30 08:55:07 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: we forgot about a source of i/o yesterday when reindexing, namely writing the undo files. as they are effectively checkpoints against the utxo database this will re-happen when you reindex
 293 2014-12-30 08:55:17 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: maybe need a third drive? :<
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 299 2014-12-30 08:59:58 <fanquake> Are my sigs ok for merging? https://github.com/bitcoin/gitian.sigs/pull/68
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 329 2014-12-30 09:42:50 <fanquake> wumpus cheers.
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 338 2014-12-30 09:52:53 <michagogo> Did cfields ever fix his naming?
 339 2014-12-30 09:53:41 <michagogo> Doesn't look like it.
 340 2014-12-30 09:55:03 <wumpus> no, he didn't
 341 2014-12-30 09:56:44 <wumpus> would have done it for him if release: in the assert file didn't encode that name as well
 342 2014-12-30 09:57:29 <wumpus> so just renaming the files would result in gitian-compare resulting an invalid match
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 346 2014-12-30 10:17:23 <michagogo> wumpus: yeah, I actually PR'd that before someone (Luke, I think?) pointed that out
 347 2014-12-30 10:17:55 <michagogo> Just needs a rename, change of release:, and resign, right? Not rebuild or anything?
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 355 2014-12-30 10:36:06 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: nah, the OS should be able to figure out how to write N files at once efficiently :p
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 359 2014-12-30 10:41:56 <wumpus> michagogo: well the release name is not used while building, so it shouldn't affect any of the sha256sums. So that leaves having to check what you need to change to normalize the assert;probably only the release name
 360 2014-12-30 10:42:14 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: but I want to run without OS!
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 362 2014-12-30 10:42:26 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: ._.
 363 2014-12-30 10:42:57 <michagogo> Run what without OS?
 364 2014-12-30 10:43:10 <wumpus> michagogo: bitcoind, but I'm mostly just kidding
 365 2014-12-30 10:43:13 <michagogo> Heh
 366 2014-12-30 10:43:32 * michagogo wonders what would need to be done to boot into bitcoind
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 369 2014-12-30 10:45:14 <wumpus> something will have to handle threading, networking, storage i/o. You could do boot-into-bitcoind if you have a hypervisor that provides the appropriate services, but that won't help you on bare metal :)
 370 2014-12-30 10:45:37 <fanquake> luke-jr secondary click maybe?
 371 2014-12-30 10:46:21 <adlai> bitcoin-forth wouldn't need any of that nonsense!
 372 2014-12-30 10:46:50 <wumpus> adlai: lol
 373 2014-12-30 10:47:22 <michagogo> Maybe while we're at it we can make a new filesystem that'll be optimized for our use :P
 374 2014-12-30 10:48:08 <adlai> wouldn't a better approach be to optimize the storage of blockchain data to the available devices?
 375 2014-12-30 10:48:17 <wumpus> as a stress test I've created a reindex-only bitcoind that keeps the utxo set in memory, doesn't write undo files, writes the log to console (where I've disabled all the spammy stuff)
 376 2014-12-30 10:48:52 <wumpus> so no I/O happens apart from the incoming blocks, which are still read from disk
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 378 2014-12-30 10:51:29 <wumpus> adlai: storage of blockchain data isn't a worry at all, the only reason for storing that in the first place is to serve it to others in network format, so just storing them in a big blob file in network format makes the most sense
 379 2014-12-30 10:51:59 <wumpus> (or maybe you store it to benchmark reindexing later, in which case even a sequential tape will do)
 380 2014-12-30 10:52:52 * adlai is imagining an embedded device that uses (and verifies) the blockchain for payments, but doesn't act as a full node
 381 2014-12-30 10:53:31 <wumpus> to verify payments you need to act as a full node, ie keep track of the longest chain and maintain the utxo set for that
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 383 2014-12-30 10:55:08 <adlai> can't you verify the blockchain and prune blocks more than a few days old as you go along?
 384 2014-12-30 10:55:11 <wumpus> no need for the blockchain at all, unless you're one of those altruistic hippies ^D^D^D responsible network users that stores the entire chain (or parts of it) so that others can bootstrap 
 385 2014-12-30 10:55:59 <Luke-Jr> in theory, some day there may only be nodes which store a subset of the blocks, and to get the full blockchain requires a bittorrent-like negotiation to figure out where the peers are with the blocks you want
 386 2014-12-30 10:56:19 <Luke-Jr> and only maybe 10% of nodes keeps a copy of block N or something
 387 2014-12-30 10:57:07 <wumpus>  you just need a protocol that supports advertising what block ranges you're willing to serve, instead of a yes/no choice
 388 2014-12-30 10:57:39 <michagogo> Luke-Jr: which would mean having to go beyond 8 connections
 389 2014-12-30 10:57:46 <wumpus> that's easy, the more difficult issue is gossiping that data, ie currently the addr mechanism and DNS seeds just gossip some nservices bits
 390 2014-12-30 10:57:56 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: probably need it to be more secure too, to avoid someone lying and causing the network to lose blocks
 391 2014-12-30 10:58:25 <Luke-Jr> michagogo: during bootstrapping, perhaps
 392 2014-12-30 10:58:26 <wumpus> so if say someone is bootstrapping he doesn't know where to connect to get the initial blocks
 393 2014-12-30 10:58:53 <wumpus> (if NODE_NETWORK meant 'I own some blocks but you have to ask me to know which ones')
 394 2014-12-30 10:59:50 <adlai> is there really any incentive for any node to store a non-pruned blockchain, once it's verified old blocks?
 395 2014-12-30 11:00:00 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: well the global inventory management of blocks is something else completely; it could indeed happen that no one serves a current range anymore, although I'm sure some people have stored it and are willing to trade them maybe...
 396 2014-12-30 11:00:04 <Luke-Jr> adlai: bootstrapping its own peers locally
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 398 2014-12-30 11:00:19 <adlai> can't you trust your own copies of the blockchain?
 399 2014-12-30 11:00:28 <Luke-Jr> adlai: you don't need to
 400 2014-12-30 11:00:43 <adlai> bootstrap by verifying headers and utxo inclusion in the merkle trees
 401 2014-12-30 11:00:47 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: yeah, the hard part there is determining when it's safe for *you* to drop a block
 402 2014-12-30 11:01:31 <michagogo> Luke-Jr: I feel like anything that would manage that automatically would be very very hard to do well and safely.
 403 2014-12-30 11:01:31 <Luke-Jr> even if you verify each of N peers has the data (which would be expensive), you can't guarantee they won't immediately drop it
 404 2014-12-30 11:01:47 <michagogo> (If possible at all)
 405 2014-12-30 11:01:50 <Luke-Jr> michagogo: indeed
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 407 2014-12-30 11:01:55 <adlai> (does bootstrapping require entire old blocks?)
 408 2014-12-30 11:02:00 <michagogo> adlai: yes
 409 2014-12-30 11:02:04 <adlai> for what part?
 410 2014-12-30 11:02:08 <Luke-Jr> adlai: ⁇
 411 2014-12-30 11:02:09 <michagogo> You need to fully verify every transaction
 412 2014-12-30 11:02:41 <michagogo> You're starting with an empty UTXO set and verifying every block to arrive at the current one
 413 2014-12-30 11:02:46 <Luke-Jr> adlai: you can't know the current UTXO without knowing the past UTXO
 414 2014-12-30 11:03:12 <Luke-Jr> if at some point, we gain UTXO commitments, then in theory you could reduce your security by trusting "old" blocks, but that's not the same as a proper full node
 415 2014-12-30 11:03:33 <adlai> ech, ok, you need more than just utxos - you neet utxos and the transaction that created them. but then you can check that transaction's inclusion in a merkle tree, and check that tree's inclusion in the workiest header chain.
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 417 2014-12-30 11:03:52 <michagogo> adlai: that's SPV, I think
 418 2014-12-30 11:03:57 <Luke-Jr> adlai: you can't build the UTXO set unless you have every transaction in history
 419 2014-12-30 11:03:58 <adlai> or utxo commitments, yes
 420 2014-12-30 11:04:15 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: in the initial versions I'd suppose the operator of an archiven node would just decide to serve a certain range, possibly randomly, later on you could have the software try to intelligently determine that, but that's indeed potentially dangerous
 421 2014-12-30 11:04:54 <adlai> you can verify a header chain from a header chain, then get utxos and their "parent transactions", and verify that each one is in the header chain. what am I missing?
 422 2014-12-30 11:05:05 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: I'd suppose the request patterns is pretty uniform for blocks except those close to the tip, which are much more popular due to people catching up
 423 2014-12-30 11:05:40 <Luke-Jr> adlai: you can't request specific transactions, at least
 424 2014-12-30 11:05:49 <Luke-Jr> and you can't verify a header chain
 425 2014-12-30 11:06:00 <Luke-Jr> well, you can, but that's SPV, not full node
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 427 2014-12-30 11:06:12 <adlai> you can verify a DMMS of the entire blockchain.
 428 2014-12-30 11:06:25 <Luke-Jr> adlai: which tells you nothing about that blockchain being valid
 429 2014-12-30 11:06:56 <Luke-Jr> to know it's valid, you have to know each transaction in every block is valid
 430 2014-12-30 11:07:25 <adlai> isn't it highly unlikely that a DMMS of 2^82 work could be faked, due to bitcoin's existence as a more rewarding activity for miners?
 431 2014-12-30 11:07:43 <Luke-Jr> if you want to choose to trust the DMMS, that's fine - but it isn't a full node
 432 2014-12-30 11:08:16 <Luke-Jr> also, keep in mind it's only like 3 or 4 months worth of work right now
 433 2014-12-30 11:08:54 * adlai is still imagining the contrived OS-less minimal-footprint bitcoin thingy
 434 2014-12-30 11:10:00 <adlai> you mean, if all the hashpower on the network were to collaborate to cheat you?
 435 2014-12-30 11:10:32 * adlai is getting a better sense for the meaning of "trust-minimized"
 436 2014-12-30 11:18:04 <gdm85> hi
 437 2014-12-30 11:19:34 <gdm85> there was once a snippet script showing how to download the gitian build dependencies. has it been moved to a Makefile?
 438 2014-12-30 11:19:39 <gdm85> I can't find it right now
 439 2014-12-30 11:20:02 <gdm85> oh, I see something was changed here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3028
 440 2014-12-30 11:20:11 <michagogo> gdm85: you don't need to wget manually anymore
 441 2014-12-30 11:20:29 <michagogo> With the new depends system, a makefile does it all for you
 442 2014-12-30 11:20:34 <gdm85> michagogo: I'd like to integrate it with my set of scripts to build using Docker containers
 443 2014-12-30 11:20:39 <michagogo> Look in release-process.md
 444 2014-12-30 11:20:50 <gdm85> namely https://github.com/gdm85/tenku/tree/master/docker/gitian-bitcoin-host that I am updating right now
 445 2014-12-30 11:21:02 <michagogo> And the depends dir in the root of the repo
 446 2014-12-30 11:22:17 <gdm85> oh, I see dependency caching there
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 448 2014-12-30 11:23:11 <gdm85> yes, this removes the need for me to maintain separate input sources text files
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 450 2014-12-30 11:23:26 <gdm85> -> https://github.com/gdm85/tenku/tree/master/docker/gitian-bitcoin-host/input-sources
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 456 2014-12-30 11:35:56 <gdm85> michagogo: as far as you know, will the automatic source fetching fetch only boost-linux deps-linux qt-linux for linux?
 457 2014-12-30 11:36:11 <michagogo> gdm85: read the README in depends
 458 2014-12-30 11:36:12 <gdm85> I am asking because that's the desired effect I would like to see when building for Linux
 459 2014-12-30 11:36:37 <michagogo> `make download` will download everything
 460 2014-12-30 11:36:53 <wumpus> the automatic download on the other hand will only fetch what you need for that os
 461 2014-12-30 11:37:06 <michagogo> I assume (but don't know for sure) that if it downloads automatically as part of a build, it'll only download the relevant files for that build
 462 2014-12-30 11:37:16 <wumpus> yes
 463 2014-12-30 11:37:17 <gdm85> mmh..ok. will soon find out
 464 2014-12-30 11:37:31 <michagogo> And there are also makefile targets (is that what they're called?) to download the files for a specific system
 465 2014-12-30 11:37:43 <wumpus> you can also tell it to, say, not build the wallet and qt dependencies if you don't need those
 466 2014-12-30 11:38:13 <wumpus> as gdm85 is conveniently forgetting berkeleydb between the linux deps
 467 2014-12-30 11:38:35 <gdm85> for this tutorial, I'll keep to the default (+wallet +qt). personally I'd probably skip qt
 468 2014-12-30 11:39:05 <gdm85> wumpus: possibly it's in one of the descriptors? deps-linux?
 469 2014-12-30 11:39:09 <wumpus> qt takes lots of time to build + also pulls in some lower-level X deps, unfortunately
 470 2014-12-30 11:39:18 <wumpus> gdm85: there are no descriptors for the dependencies anymore
 471 2014-12-30 11:39:37 <wumpus> there is only one descriptor per OS
 472 2014-12-30 11:40:15 <gdm85> I see
 473 2014-12-30 11:40:22 <sipa> wumpus:
 474 2014-12-30 11:40:29 <sipa> ~~~~
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 476 2014-12-30 11:41:04 <sipa> wumpus: make download downloads for all os'es afaik, since recently
 477 2014-12-30 11:41:09 <gdm85> an impressive cleanup. but alright, personally I'd fastforward to a future where all software comes in reproducible builds, so nice improvement :)
 478 2014-12-30 11:41:30 <wumpus> wumpus: yes, make download downloads for all OSes, no argument there
 479 2014-12-30 11:41:36 <wumpus> eh @sipa
 480 2014-12-30 11:41:39 <sipa> lol
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 482 2014-12-30 11:43:56 <sipa> adlai: it's not about likely or not; incentives can change things
 483 2014-12-30 11:44:33 <sipa> adlai: trusting hashpower + validating blocks yourself is a different security model than just validating hashpower
 484 2014-12-30 11:45:16 <sipa> maybe the first suffices - that's good, but you shouldn't forget the difference and the risk that it brings
 485 2014-12-30 11:46:23 <sipa> secondly, the blockchain does not commit to UTXOs in any form, only to the "patches" (the blocks) to the utxo set in the past
 486 2014-12-30 11:46:46 <sipa> i don't see how you can use validated headers to check anything in the utxo set
 487 2014-12-30 11:47:28 <adlai> you'd need a leaf tx + inclusion proof set, not a utxo set
 488 2014-12-30 11:47:30 <sipa> you can construct an (spv) proof of a particular output being added (merkle path to the transaction that added it), but there is nonway to prove that it was not spent yet
 489 2014-12-30 11:47:52 <adlai> aha. that's what I was missing! thank you.
 490 2014-12-30 11:47:54 <sipa> yes, you can prove transactions
 491 2014-12-30 11:48:41 <adlai> so you'd still need the entire blockchain past the earliest utxo you want to trust
 492 2014-12-30 11:49:07 <adlai> which, if you're accepting transactions from arbitrary sources, pretty much means the entire blockchain
 493 2014-12-30 11:49:15 <sipa> indeed
 494 2014-12-30 11:50:39 * adlai can still imagine contrived cases where you could get by with less, but he'll leave them as an exercise to those who have/choose to cope with them
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 528 2014-12-30 12:24:57 <gdm85> I see this in the gitian build log: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Cz02cNKX
 529 2014-12-30 12:25:25 <gdm85> possibly a network issue in the VM
 530 2014-12-30 12:26:06 <wumpus> your builder does not have access to the internet, you can get around that by downloading the dependencies explicitly beforehand (there should be instructions for that somewhere...)
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 532 2014-12-30 12:26:34 <gdm85> yes I think it was meant to work that way e.g. no network access in the VMs, but preseeded dependencies
 533 2014-12-30 12:26:36 <wumpus> (either in release-process.md or gitian-building)
 534 2014-12-30 12:26:44 <gdm85> wumpus: ok, thanks
 535 2014-12-30 12:27:05 <wumpus> yes, see "Optional: Seed the Gitian sources cache"
 536 2014-12-30 12:27:45 <gdm85> btw, +1 for merging all these documents :P
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 573 2014-12-30 13:42:01 <fanquake> gdm85 That’d be nice
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 575 2014-12-30 13:46:56 <Luke-Jr> hm
 576 2014-12-30 13:47:04 <Luke-Jr> deprecating accounts is more difficult than it would seem
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 578 2014-12-30 13:53:23 <kjj> easier to add new commands that assume the default account
 579 2014-12-30 13:53:52 <kjj> (or the "all" account, as the case may be)
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 583 2014-12-30 13:59:19 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: yes, it'd basically require redesigning the API
 584 2014-12-30 13:59:46 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: which is why we should really do a newwallet branch which just fixes all those things instead of incrementally
 585 2014-12-30 13:59:59 <gdm85> [gitian builds] would it be possible to clone the bitcoin repository in gitian-builder/inputs/bitcoin and then run gbuild?
 586 2014-12-30 14:00:12 <gdm85> this way I could use that same repo to initialize the downloads
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 588 2014-12-30 14:00:56 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: ie, multiwallet requires changes to the API too so it's nice to combine them
 589 2014-12-30 14:01:27 <Luke-Jr> I was just planning to flag all the account stuff as DEPRECATED :P
 590 2014-12-30 14:01:34 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: woohoo!
 591 2014-12-30 14:01:43 <Luke-Jr> but that seems more complex than expected
 592 2014-12-30 14:01:47 <wumpus> gdm85: yes, should be possible
 593 2014-12-30 14:01:52 <Luke-Jr> I guess a bit of ugliness may be acceptable
 594 2014-12-30 14:02:45 <gdm85> wumpus: ok, I am going to try that
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 596 2014-12-30 14:03:15 <gdm85> not sure, but this line doesn't seem to click right for me: make -C ../bitcoin/depends download SOURCES_PATH=`pwd`/cache/common
 597 2014-12-30 14:03:34 <wumpus> gdm85: just make sure those paths point to the right place
 598 2014-12-30 14:03:39 <gdm85> the gitian build will still want those files to be in bitcoin/depends and not in $PWD/cache/common
 599 2014-12-30 14:03:56 <wumpus> no, gitian wants them in cache/common
 600 2014-12-30 14:04:12 <wumpus> it will copy them from there to some place inside the builder VM
 601 2014-12-30 14:04:14 <gdm85> wumpus: but bitcoin's Makefile wants them in bitcoin/depends?
 602 2014-12-30 14:04:39 <wumpus> gdm85: no, that isn't hardcoded, depends on what you set e.g. --prefix to
 603 2014-12-30 14:05:06 <wumpus> gdm85: see README.usage in depends if you want to do a manual depends build
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 605 2014-12-30 14:05:29 <gdm85> do I need a most recent version of gitian builder too, to run this?
 606 2014-12-30 14:05:39 <wumpus> (but you don't, as you're using gitian)
 607 2014-12-30 14:05:41 <wumpus> yes
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 609 2014-12-30 14:07:27 <gdm85> wumpus: ok, but in order to have --prefix work I should use the same bitcoin repo where I downloaded sources from
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 614 2014-12-30 14:10:28 <gdm85> that's why I mentioned that line: make -C ../bitcoin/depends download SOURCES_PATH=`pwd`/cache/common <-- it would not work with a bitcoin repo side-by-side with a gitian-builder repo, if you afterwards use a fresh gitian-builder/inputs/bitcoin clone
 615 2014-12-30 14:10:40 <gdm85> would rather be: make -C inputs/bitcoin ...
 616 2014-12-30 14:10:45 <gdm85> but I am testing this right now, let's see
 617 2014-12-30 14:12:02 <Luke-Jr> sigh, we have multiple ways to store comments
 618 2014-12-30 14:13:54 <fanquake> wumpus You could close #3550 & #3228 also.
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 621 2014-12-30 14:23:33 <gdm85> I will adapt the downloads to this line: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/contrib/gitian-descriptors/gitian-linux.yml#L74
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 628 2014-12-30 14:33:42 <wumpus> if https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3816 goes on like this I'm going to close and lock the issue
 629 2014-12-30 14:35:00 <wumpus> as it seems now it is not going to be 'remove bolt-on account system' anyway, but 'the whole wallet is going to replaced and the whole API will change'
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 633 2014-12-30 14:37:45 <wumpus> fanquake: thanks
 634 2014-12-30 14:38:42 <jgarzik> wumpus, agree on the former; disagree on the latter
 635 2014-12-30 14:39:16 <jgarzik> wumpus, the latter gets too far into predicting the future, and what glorious changes will come sometime down the road
 636 2014-12-30 14:40:11 <wumpus> jgarzik: well it is the only way this could work
 637 2014-12-30 14:40:11 <jgarzik> wumpus, It is good to have this discussion in general, though it is not good to have the current sniping found on that accounting system thread.
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 639 2014-12-30 14:40:35 <jgarzik> wumpus, don't presume...   We can only say for certain based on what is merged, or not.
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 641 2014-12-30 14:41:00 <jgarzik> wumpus, We hope that will be the outcome, but the accounting system is in production use, so we make our day-to-day decisions based on that.
 642 2014-12-30 14:41:03 <wumpus> jgarzik: some people should work on a separate branch to refresh the wallet, then when it is finished it can be merged
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 644 2014-12-30 14:41:41 <wumpus> jgarzik: currently it is stuck in a lose-lose situation, and any incremental change can only cause more confusion
 645 2014-12-30 14:41:46 <jgarzik> wumpus, That is one useful scenario, yes.  Can that scenario be counted on to occur?  No.
 646 2014-12-30 14:42:09 <wumpus> jgarzik: the other case is 'the current wallet and current account system will be maintained as-is forever'
 647 2014-12-30 14:42:45 <wumpus> and people will (hopefully) stop using it as better alternatives appear, as happens with legacy software
 648 2014-12-30 14:42:50 <jgarzik> wumpus, Well we -have- to maintain the current wallet and account system, as it is, today + tomorrow + next week + next month.
 649 2014-12-30 14:43:05 <wumpus> oh?
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 651 2014-12-30 14:43:34 <jgarzik> wumpus, way too many people use it in production, like it or not
 652 2014-12-30 14:43:37 <wumpus> I certainly don't agree on that, we don't have to do that at all. The people that are using it could do the maintentance too.
 653 2014-12-30 14:43:44 <jgarzik> wishful thinking
 654 2014-12-30 14:44:00 <kinlo> not everyone using it can maintain it
 655 2014-12-30 14:44:00 <wumpus> well if no one else fixes it
 656 2014-12-30 14:44:14 <wumpus> I (myself) are not going to do it anymore, but you're welcome to.
 657 2014-12-30 14:44:17 <kinlo> it would require a full rework to use the new api
 658 2014-12-30 14:44:19 <jgarzik> if we cannot service current production users, the project is a failure and no one will trust the software.
 659 2014-12-30 14:44:55 <jgarzik> you cannot just give up on the current userbase.
 660 2014-12-30 14:45:00 <wumpus> as it is now the pull list is overflowing, I cannot keep up anymore
 661 2014-12-30 14:45:52 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: weren't you arguing we should break RPC compatibility a while back?
 662 2014-12-30 14:46:31 <wumpus> jgarzik: yes, weren't you the one opening #3816 in the first place?
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 664 2014-12-30 14:47:39 <jgarzik> Absolutely.  The point of #3816 is to begin the process of removal... which takes many months of "messaging" to get people to slowly migrate away from the feature.
 665 2014-12-30 14:47:52 <jgarzik> Thus, "Well we -have- to maintain the current wallet and account system, as it is, today + tomorrow + next week + next month."
 666 2014-12-30 14:48:00 <jgarzik> Next 6 months?  Next year?  That's another matter...
 667 2014-12-30 14:48:02 <wumpus> jgarzik: 'the project is a failure' you're throwing really strong language for someone that used to argue completely the other way around very short ago
 668 2014-12-30 14:48:06 <Luke-Jr> ah ok
 669 2014-12-30 14:48:17 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: I don't think anyone is talking about removing this in 0.11
 670 2014-12-30 14:48:20 <Luke-Jr> 0.10*
 671 2014-12-30 14:48:26 <wumpus> no and not in 0.11 either
 672 2014-12-30 14:48:28 <jgarzik> It takes many months to -responsibly- drop a feature
 673 2014-12-30 14:48:29 <Luke-Jr> (probably not 0.11 either, but that's to be seen)
 674 2014-12-30 14:48:49 <wumpus> of course it does
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 676 2014-12-30 14:49:11 <wumpus> Luke-Jr's change just *documents* that it is deprecated
 677 2014-12-30 14:49:21 <wumpus> it doesn't remove any functionality
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 679 2014-12-30 14:49:48 <jgarzik> Several major websites depend on this feature.  The first step is #3816, starting the discussion and letting people know the feature has limitations, and is slated for removal.
 680 2014-12-30 14:50:11 <wumpus> it is just informing, no one is proposing merging a pull that removes anything
 681 2014-12-30 14:50:13 <jgarzik> Then have those RPCs warn about being deprecated to the log, and make some posts on reddit /BTCtalk etc.
 682 2014-12-30 14:50:36 <jgarzik> Then have the RPCs default to off, and need to be enabled at runtime
 683 2014-12-30 14:50:39 <jgarzik> Then disable etc.
 684 2014-12-30 14:50:59 <jgarzik> All over the span of many months + communication with anyone we hear of using this feature
 685 2014-12-30 14:51:01 <wumpus> yes we understand that
 686 2014-12-30 14:51:28 <wumpus> you're talking in complete generalities again
 687 2014-12-30 14:52:14 <jgarzik> <wumpus> as it seems now it is not going to be 'remove bolt-on account system' anyway, but 'the whole wallet is going to replaced and the whole API will change'
 688 2014-12-30 14:52:16 <jgarzik> ditto
 689 2014-12-30 14:52:38 <wumpus> as said, no one is proposing to disable them today to tomorrow, but for the health of the project in the longer run we cannot keep maintaining all of this at least in the same place
 690 2014-12-30 14:52:58 <wumpus> jgarzik: that's because of jonasschnelli and sipa's and some other people's talk to do just that
 691 2014-12-30 14:53:01 <jgarzik> we have to keep maintaining it, until a better alternative for maintenance appears.
 692 2014-12-30 14:53:05 <jgarzik> because, production users.
 693 2014-12-30 14:53:06 <wumpus> jgarzik: maybe you don't read the channel, but I do
 694 2014-12-30 14:54:35 <jgarzik> Yes, talk.  Are there actual pull requests along the lines of 'the whole wallet is going to replaced and the whole API will change'?
 695 2014-12-30 14:55:00 <wumpus> that would be quite cool in two days...
 696 2014-12-30 14:56:08 <wumpus> anyhow, hereby I give you the hat of wallet and account system maintainer
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 698 2014-12-30 14:57:02 <wumpus> I have to delegate things otherwise I'm going crazy mad
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 700 2014-12-30 15:02:49 <jgarzik> <shrug> sure
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 705 2014-12-30 15:06:28 <wumpus> if someone else is interested in being maintainer of some aspect of the code, please let me know
 706 2014-12-30 15:07:18 <Luke-Jr> I might as well take mining I guess? I'm already doing that stuff
 707 2014-12-30 15:07:31 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: sounds good to me
 708 2014-12-30 15:07:58 <Luke-Jr> If you let me add TBC, I'll do Qt BitcoinUnits :P </mostlyjoking>
 709 2014-12-30 15:08:07 * jgarzik fires luke-jr into outer space
 710 2014-12-30 15:08:11 <Luke-Jr> ☺
 711 2014-12-30 15:08:21 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: I already have someone for Qt I think
 712 2014-12-30 15:09:22 <jgarzik> wumpus, you can tag issues/pulls for specific people, feel free to do that w/ wallet & accounting
 713 2014-12-30 15:09:43 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: currently there is the label 'Block generation' for mining related issues
 714 2014-12-30 15:10:19 <wumpus> jgarzik: yup, I've already been doing that, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/labels/Wallet
 715 2014-12-30 15:10:44 <jgarzik> Need a new convention like "subsystem ACK" ;p
 716 2014-12-30 15:10:55 <Luke-Jr> some projects have a dedicated person for triaging new issues by assigning categories/people to them
 717 2014-12-30 15:11:03 <wumpus> jgarzik: indeed
 718 2014-12-30 15:11:10 <jgarzik> where sub-maintainer adds "ready for toplevel maintainer" stamp
 719 2014-12-30 15:11:19 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: I'm fine with doing that part, for now at least
 720 2014-12-30 15:11:53 <Luke-Jr> ok - it's something that could be delegated to a non-coder, though
 721 2014-12-30 15:12:52 <wumpus> jgarzik: yes, good point. how does that work in linux? do subsystems have their own branches where patches get merged first?
 722 2014-12-30 15:13:25 <wumpus> jgarzik: then the top-level maintainer merges those into the main branch?
 723 2014-12-30 15:13:51 <wumpus> jgarzik: (not saying we should take over linux's way of working)
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 725 2014-12-30 15:15:16 <Luke-Jr> something for 0.10: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5576
 726 2014-12-30 15:15:18 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: sure, could be, but we're not there yet that we get so many new pulls even labeling them is a full task
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 729 2014-12-30 15:16:03 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: my problem is that the current pulls list is too large, so we need some division of work to get through that
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 731 2014-12-30 15:16:39 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: and I don't expect it to slow down anytime soon
 732 2014-12-30 15:16:39 <fanquake> wumpus I’d be interested in helping/doing that.
 733 2014-12-30 15:16:50 <jgarzik> wumpus, Agreed.  For general reference:  Linux ATA changes are sent to the Linux ATA git tree + Linux ATA subsystem maintainer.  ATA changes gather in that git tree.  The subsystem maintainer then sends a pull request to Linus when the merge window opens.  The merge window is open for one week, then closed for ~11 weeks.  Subsystem maintainers maintain a separate 'bugs' git tree, and gather+submit upstream bug fixes that need to go in outside
 734 2014-12-30 15:16:51 <jgarzik> the normal merge window.
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 736 2014-12-30 15:17:09 <wumpus> fanquake: cool, what part are you interested in?
 737 2014-12-30 15:17:25 <jgarzik> wumpus, roughly mirrors the old pre-git model of "email patches to Linus" (or a subsystem maintainer)
 738 2014-12-30 15:17:42 <jgarzik> wumpus, our workflow is quite different, in that we all "play in the same pool", but I think it's still workable.
 739 2014-12-30 15:17:43 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: most of them aren't labelled XD
 740 2014-12-30 15:18:13 <jgarzik> wumpus, You already use the most obvious solution, labels
 741 2014-12-30 15:18:26 <wumpus> jgarzik: ah right, makes sense, so linus *periodically* merges patch trains from different subsystems, which are gathered by the subsystem maintainers
 742 2014-12-30 15:18:27 <jgarzik> so easy enough to take that and run with it, for now
 743 2014-12-30 15:18:36 <jgarzik> wumpus, correct
 744 2014-12-30 15:18:42 <fanquake> wumpus labeling/delegating issues  & pull requests. Working with the people submitting issues to get all the info we actually need to solve them.
 745 2014-12-30 15:18:47 <wumpus> jgarzik: agreed, labels and a 'subsystem ACK' will do for now
 746 2014-12-30 15:19:00 <jgarzik> wumpus, much more emphasis in Linux on parallel development with periodic merges
 747 2014-12-30 15:19:08 <fanquake> Anything to free up time for people todo actualy development work,
 748 2014-12-30 15:19:26 <jgarzik> wumpus, our codebase and dev count  is much smaller, so "periodic" in Bitcoin Core must be smaller as well, I think.
 749 2014-12-30 15:19:27 <wumpus> jgarzik: I don't think it currently makes sense to work on different branches, as various aspects overlap too much in the code
 750 2014-12-30 15:19:31 <jgarzik> wumpus, to move faster
 751 2014-12-30 15:19:43 <jgarzik> wumpus, the current Linux model would not work well for Bitcoin Core, taken directly
 752 2014-12-30 15:19:51 <wumpus> fanquake: ok, sounds good to me!
 753 2014-12-30 15:19:51 <jgarzik> wumpus, +1
 754 2014-12-30 15:20:05 <wumpus> fanquake: you've been doing a good job there already by noticing issues that can be closed :)
 755 2014-12-30 15:20:21 <jgarzik> wumpus, I think we're on the same page. You basically restated what I was saying just then. :)
 756 2014-12-30 15:21:10 <wumpus> jgarzik: yes periodic can be smaller, but it would be good if I no longer have to worry about all of them all the time
 757 2014-12-30 15:21:31 <jgarzik> on a much bigger codebase, less coordination is required to work in parallel.  on a smaller codebase (bitcoin), heavy overlap implies heavy coordination (which implies rapid upstreaming and working in same tree mostly).
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 759 2014-12-30 15:22:08 <jgarzik> (speaking about the subsystem-trees approach, specifically)
 760 2014-12-30 15:22:35 <fanquake> wumpus I’m a bit hesitant to start commenting all over issues, just to tell someone else to come an close, or follow up on them. Don’t want to create to much noise.
 761 2014-12-30 15:22:39 <wumpus> jgarzik: the only aspects that are well enough separated one could feasibly work on them without involving the rest would be the wallet, and the GUI
 762 2014-12-30 15:23:28 <wumpus> jgarzik: but of course, further code movements could improve that
 763 2014-12-30 15:23:42 <JWU42> 0.10 install at 24 hours and counting =)
 764 2014-12-30 15:23:52 <JWU42> rocking the 1.6 GHz Via single core
 765 2014-12-30 15:24:07 <Luke-Jr> hm
 766 2014-12-30 15:24:11 <wumpus> jgarzik: yes we have a small codebase that wants to move really fast but is mostly held back by reviewing pressure
 767 2014-12-30 15:24:25 <wumpus> fanquake: well, that's how I started too
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 769 2014-12-30 15:26:07 <Luke-Jr> would be nice if GitHub had a way to let fanquake just close/label/etc himself
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 771 2014-12-30 15:26:12 <wumpus> fanquake: let me see if it is possible to give out labeling permision without having to give commit privileges
 772 2014-12-30 15:27:11 <fanquake> That’d be handy. GH must have some sort of user permissions model
 773 2014-12-30 15:27:31 <wumpus> JWU42: nice
 774 2014-12-30 15:27:56 <wumpus> hmpf, they only have 'Read access', 'Write access' and 'Admin access'
 775 2014-12-30 15:28:26 <Luke-Jr> :/
 776 2014-12-30 15:28:29 <wumpus> looks like we're outgrowing github :/
 777 2014-12-30 15:29:25 <JWU42> wumpus: showing just 42.5% done
 778 2014-12-30 15:29:26 <fanquake> heh their suggestions is to create a second repo for issues, and have your code in a separate repo.
 779 2014-12-30 15:29:28 <JWU42> heh
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 781 2014-12-30 15:30:00 <wumpus> fanquake: LOl, what a hack
 782 2014-12-30 15:32:00 <jgarzik> bleh
 783 2014-12-30 15:32:43 <Luke-Jr> maybe a bot that uses an API?
 784 2014-12-30 15:32:44 <wumpus> it's not useful to have issues somewhere else, and also the number of repositories is what they bill for
 785 2014-12-30 15:33:11 <Luke-Jr> wait, we pay for GitHub? O.o
 786 2014-12-30 15:33:41 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: I don't think so
 787 2014-12-30 15:34:05 <jgarzik> You don't have to rely on github, just trust.  If you trust fanquake to review a certain area of the code, you can just watch for his comments.  Anyone can post a gist that produces a list of issues for [opening | closing | further review | upstream pushing | ...].
 788 2014-12-30 15:34:06 <fanquake> Yea. They just need a user level in the middle ground. Someone who just doesn’t have write access.
 789 2014-12-30 15:34:14 <jgarzik> Think decentralized, grow our other methods & tools.
 790 2014-12-30 15:34:19 <jgarzik> *our own
 791 2014-12-30 15:35:17 <wumpus> jgarzik: that's true, in the case of code reviewing it is no problem, but he proposed to do the labeling/triage for new issues, which kind of implies he can do those things directly :)
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 793 2014-12-30 15:35:34 <jgarzik> indeed
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 795 2014-12-30 15:35:45 <jgarzik> I wonder if there is API access...
 796 2014-12-30 15:35:48 <wumpus> a bot would indeedd work
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 798 2014-12-30 15:36:35 <fanquake> https://developer.github.com/v3/issues/
 799 2014-12-30 15:37:54 <wumpus> yep, apparently it can edit the list of labels as well as open/close issues through the API
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 803 2014-12-30 15:39:44 <fanquake> It looks like the same team permissions might still apply though “Issue owners and users with push access can edit an issue.”
 804 2014-12-30 15:40:11 <wumpus> yes...
 805 2014-12-30 15:40:11 <Luke-Jr> fanquake: so we just need a bot that you can control for the limited use
 806 2014-12-30 15:40:17 <Luke-Jr> and give the bot full access
 807 2014-12-30 15:41:11 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: FYI, I may have found a consensus-critical bug in 0.10, not sure yet
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 809 2014-12-30 15:42:02 <wumpus> right, you'd have some bot account that you can give commands in some way. Sounds like quite the detour, but it would work...
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 813 2014-12-30 15:45:52 <Luke-Jr> not sure I understand CCoins enough to diagnose this
 814 2014-12-30 15:46:04 <Luke-Jr> sipa: around?
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 834 2014-12-30 16:04:03 <wumpus> tests don't do logging, you could just use old-fashioned printf
 835 2014-12-30 16:05:13 <Luke-Jr> isn't that #defined to LogPrint? kinda annoying to change the LogPrints already there :P
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 839 2014-12-30 16:06:14 <wumpus> no, that has luckily been removed quite a long time ago
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 841 2014-12-30 16:06:56 <wumpus> well in that case force you can always temporarily change logprintf to do what you want (or force printtoconsole?)
 842 2014-12-30 16:07:11 <Luke-Jr> hm
 843 2014-12-30 16:07:13 <wumpus> the tests shouldn't print or log anything, but while debugging that's of course a possibilty
 844 2014-12-30 16:07:53 <Luke-Jr> for some reason the BIP 30 checks are deciding I'm overwriting a transaction when I'm not
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 846 2014-12-30 16:11:14 <sipa> Luke-Jr: hmm?
 847 2014-12-30 16:11:19 <sipa> that sounds bad
 848 2014-12-30 16:11:23 <Luke-Jr> yes
 849 2014-12-30 16:11:56 <Luke-Jr> my minedeps branch seems to consistently reproduce it for Travis and locally
 850 2014-12-30 16:12:16 <Luke-Jr> the first CreateNewBlock works fine, but the second one, even with no changes to the environement, fails
 851 2014-12-30 16:12:35 <Luke-Jr> so I'm guessing somehow the ConnectBlock-just-check is modifying the environment
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 856 2014-12-30 16:20:48 <Luke-Jr> it's failing on the last tx of the block
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 862 2014-12-30 16:24:08 <Luke-Jr> always the same txid {0xb19c8200, 0x9ec0fed8, 0x559f98f, 0x2a376428, 0xb92760c1, 0xedcc3dd8, 0x9eaf9337, 0x317db75d}
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 871 2014-12-30 16:33:12 <Luke-Jr> (gdb) print chainActive.Tip()->nHeight  $18 = 110  (gdb) print coins->nHeight  $19 = 111
 872 2014-12-30 16:33:16 <Luke-Jr> ^ shouldn't this be impossible?
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 875 2014-12-30 16:38:09 <Luke-Jr> where/how is pcoinsTip updated? O.o
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 880 2014-12-30 16:44:24 <sipa> yes
 881 2014-12-30 16:44:40 <sipa> Luke-Jr: in UpdateTip iirv
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 890 2014-12-30 16:54:33 <Luke-Jr> sipa: CCoinsViewCache.Flush only copies entries up one level, right? so if the base is itself a cache, it won't go beyond that?
 891 2014-12-30 16:55:02 <Luke-Jr> (I wasn't able to follow the Flush implementation code.. :/)
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 899 2014-12-30 17:13:44 <sipa> Luke-Jr: indeed
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 904 2014-12-30 17:25:22 <ffe>  /msg NickServ HELP REGAIN
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 913 2014-12-30 17:35:11 <soloman>  /msg nickserv link elwailly sablesue54
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 919 2014-12-30 17:38:41 <michagogo> Does anyone have a good link to some writing about squashing git commits (and why it may be desirable, etc)?
 920 2014-12-30 17:38:49 <michagogo> I know I read something about it at some point, but I have no idea where or when
 921 2014-12-30 17:39:53 <maaku> michagogo: linus has a rant about that iirc. you probably need to give some context though
 922 2014-12-30 17:40:08 <maaku> (squashing is great for cleaning up history, really bad once that history is public)
 923 2014-12-30 17:40:14 <jtimon> wumpus Should we close issue #4344 already as well?
 924 2014-12-30 17:40:17 <michagogo> maaku: well, in a PR
 925 2014-12-30 17:40:34 <michagogo> There's a PR with ~20 commits, lots of them very small
 926 2014-12-30 17:40:53 <michagogo> I commented that the author may want to consider squashing, and was asked why
 927 2014-12-30 17:41:19 <jtimon> sometimes that makes sense for review and you can squash them before merging to keep the history simpler
 928 2014-12-30 17:42:36 <maaku> michagogo: because it makes reviewing easier is typically the correct response. squash/split it into as few commits as are needed to assist review
 929 2014-12-30 17:42:56 <maaku> if that ends up being 20, probably a good indication that it can be split into multiple PRs
 930 2014-12-30 17:43:51 <wumpus> jtimon: checking
 931 2014-12-30 17:44:29 <jtimon> it was about separating the script code and we did it before libconsensus
 932 2014-12-30 17:45:17 <wumpus> sipa: looks to me that it could, yes
 933 2014-12-30 17:45:26 <wumpus> eh @jtimon
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 935 2014-12-30 17:46:38 <jtimon> so how do I subscribe to a given label? say TX script ?
 936 2014-12-30 17:47:38 <cbeams> michagogo: this piece isn't directly about squashing, but rather how to write a proper git commit comment. I've been thinking about writing a follow-up piece on atomic commits, though. In any case, if someone is unfamiliar with why squashing might be a good idea, they might do well to start here: http://chris.beams.io/posts/git-commit/
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 940 2014-12-30 17:50:46 <wumpus> jtimon: you mean subscribe as in getting mail for such issues? that sounds useful, not sure if that is possible
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 944 2014-12-30 18:03:49 <jtimon> I though you were saying that was possible earlier
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 948 2014-12-30 18:07:57 <michagogo> Found this, too: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/263164/why-squash-git-commits-for-pull-requests
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 964 2014-12-30 18:23:34 <dgenr8> wumpus: if you want to outsource tasks to a bot, perhaps it should login as you. for accountability.  for all we know, you might be part machine already ;)
 965 2014-12-30 18:23:41 <jtimon> Can someone tag #5114 #5071 and #5180 with "TX fees and policy"?
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1104 2014-12-30 22:06:45 <Luke-Jr> gah, I read most of it before I realised it was spam :|
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1143 2014-12-30 23:18:59 <Luke-Jr> gotta take a break; created https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/5579 for the new issue so we don't forget to resolve it
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1181 2014-12-30 23:57:18 <firelegend> I really like how all different blocks of code in a function have { }
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