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  50 2014-12-31 01:33:10 <Luke-Jr> firelegend: it's kindof enforced by scoped locks ☺
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  72 2014-12-31 02:17:26 <firelegend> Luke-Jr:By the compiler or?
  73 2014-12-31 02:19:56 <Luke-Jr> firelegend: by the design of the code
  74 2014-12-31 02:20:29 <firelegend> I am exploring the code in net.cpp currently
  75 2014-12-31 02:23:08 <firelegend> What I found odd, is that in ThreadSocketHandler which presumably is constantly working, is that when it's handling messages, it receives data and so far I understood the code, but then it also dispatches a reply via SocketSendData, but inside the function I don't see how the reply is constructed
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  88 2014-12-31 02:55:52 <Luke-Jr> sipa: any objections to making CCoinsViewCache(CCoinsViewCache) illegal?
  89 2014-12-31 02:56:48 <Luke-Jr> (note: copy constructor, NOT the same as CCoinsViewCache(CCoinsViewCache*)
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  99 2014-12-31 03:09:53 <sipa> Luke-Jr: yeah, caches shouldn't br copyablr
 100 2014-12-31 03:10:03 <Luke-Jr> k
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 102 2014-12-31 03:10:19 <sipa> Luke-Jr: i have an assumption why your test fails, but i won't have time for a few days
 103 2014-12-31 03:10:26 <Luke-Jr> I was accidentally copying the cache instead of sub-caching it.. which meant Flush applied them to the real pcoinsTip >_<
 104 2014-12-31 03:10:35 <Luke-Jr> ^ this is why
 105 2014-12-31 03:11:11 <sipa> ah
 106 2014-12-31 03:11:25 <sipa> then my assumption was wrong, but good :)
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 176 2014-12-31 05:19:58 <earlz> I've tried doing a from-scratch sync with bitcoin 0.9.3 and I'm stuck
 177 2014-12-31 05:20:01 <earlz> http://pastebin.com/DVkccynH
 178 2014-12-31 05:20:17 <earlz> specifically, stuck at block 212081
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 180 2014-12-31 05:20:49 <Luke-Jr> earlz: doesn't look stuck, just working
 181 2014-12-31 05:20:53 <earlz> the orphan blocks are really confusing.. no idea why that's happening
 182 2014-12-31 05:21:25 <earlz> it's been stuck on that for like 10 minutes at least
 183 2014-12-31 05:22:03 <Luke-Jr> it's expected
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 185 2014-12-31 05:23:23 <Luke-Jr> (and fixed in 0.10)
 186 2014-12-31 05:24:03 <earlz> mm.. I want 0.10 to be out already :(
 187 2014-12-31 05:24:18 <Krellan_> Sorry lost my network connection = if RPC answer was given, I didn't hear it
 188 2014-12-31 05:24:19 <earlz> that's including the headers-first and such right?
 189 2014-12-31 05:24:39 <Krellan_> Curious if there's a RPC call to grab the contents of the address cache (used when making new outbound connections)
 190 2014-12-31 05:24:56 <earlz> getmempool? or something like that?
 191 2014-12-31 05:24:58 <Krellan_> and also the banned/unbanned status of them
 192 2014-12-31 05:25:06 <earlz> er, not mempool
 193 2014-12-31 05:25:25 <Krellan_> I'm looking for a RPC to ask that a particular peer be banned/unbanned
 194 2014-12-31 05:25:29 <Krellan_> Does such already exist?
 195 2014-12-31 05:25:34 <earlz> getpeerinfo maybe?
 196 2014-12-31 05:25:45 <Krellan_> getpeerinfo = dumps info about all currently connected notdes
 197 2014-12-31 05:25:45 <earlz> I don't think that lets you check banned/unbanned
 198 2014-12-31 05:25:46 <Krellan_> nodes
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 200 2014-12-31 05:26:07 <earlz> what do you mean by "address cache" then?
 201 2014-12-31 05:26:43 <Krellan_> peers.dat file
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 205 2014-12-31 05:30:12 <gmaxwell> earlz: they're harmless in any case, it just slows things down a bit. if you just ignore it and let it continue it will finish.
 206 2014-12-31 05:30:49 <robbak> If a newly built bitcoin binary is dying on startup with "Initialization sanity check failed. Bitcoin Core is shutting down.", and debug.log just shows me "shutdown: In progress..." etc: How can I get some information on what part of the sanity check is failing, so I can debug it?
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 213 2014-12-31 05:52:42 <robbak> Further information - this is running on an empty directory. All it createes is the debug.log file.
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 219 2014-12-31 06:02:19 <gmaxwell> robbak: pastebin the debug.log
 220 2014-12-31 06:03:37 <gmaxwell> there should be more entries before the "Initialization sanity check failed."
 221 2014-12-31 06:04:35 <gmaxwell> robbak: what OS are you on?
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 227 2014-12-31 06:07:51 <gmaxwell> robbak: heelloo?
 228 2014-12-31 06:07:57 <s1w> he ded
 229 2014-12-31 06:08:35 <robbak> FreeBSD, gmaxwell. And it is three lines:
 230 2014-12-31 06:08:37 <robbak> 2014-12-31 05:26:52 Shutdown: In progress...
 231 2014-12-31 06:08:38 <robbak> 2014-12-31 05:26:52 StopNode()
 232 2014-12-31 06:08:40 <robbak> 2014-12-31 05:26:52 Shutdown: done
 233 2014-12-31 06:09:26 <Krellan_> Really dumb idea for making a PoW memory-hard: use nonce as an address into a large chunk of data (like the blockchain) then require a few bytes from there appear next to the nonce?
 234 2014-12-31 06:10:08 <Krellan_> I like it, but know it must have a big hole that defeats it, but can't think of it offhand.  Feel free to debunk it.
 235 2014-12-31 06:10:14 <Luke-Jr> robbak: so this is with a non-GNU libc, correct?
 236 2014-12-31 06:10:21 <Luke-Jr> Krellan_: not here
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 238 2014-12-31 06:11:04 <Krellan_> Doh wrong channel
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 240 2014-12-31 06:12:12 <robbak> Yes, I think. We probably use our own libc. I have been building v0.9.3 OK.
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 242 2014-12-31 06:12:33 <Luke-Jr> robbak: probably want to step through
 243 2014-12-31 06:12:42 <Luke-Jr> set a breakpoint on InitSanityCheck
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 245 2014-12-31 06:17:13 <robbak> OK, Luke-Jr: after all the Qt stuff, we have BitcoinCore::initialize (), AppInit2 () and InitSanityCheck ()
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 247 2014-12-31 06:21:04 <gmaxwell> robbak: presumably you are failing the ECC sanity check which is quite bad.
 248 2014-12-31 06:21:20 <gmaxwell> oh no actually that throws another error.
 249 2014-12-31 06:21:36 <gmaxwell> so you're failing either glibc_sanity_test or glibcxx_sanity_test
 250 2014-12-31 06:21:44 <robbak> I'm just doing a debug build to get something more.
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 260 2014-12-31 06:52:30 <cfields> robbak: osx?
 261 2014-12-31 06:52:38 <robbak> reeBSD
 262 2014-12-31 06:52:47 <robbak> cfields: FreeBSD
 263 2014-12-31 06:52:56 <cfields> robbak: i'm battling that exact issue right now
 264 2014-12-31 06:53:14 <cfields> in my case, it comes from a busted clang. you might see the same in FreeBSD
 265 2014-12-31 06:53:43 <robbak> Ah, well we do share problems with OSx, so that is quite likely. Do you have a fix?
 266 2014-12-31 06:53:56 <cfields> yes, don't use clang 3.4 :)
 267 2014-12-31 06:55:11 <cfields> for my issue, 3.3 and 3.5 are fine, 3.4 has a bug that causes visibility/weak external issues
 268 2014-12-31 06:55:36 <robbak> Thanks cfields.
 269 2014-12-31 06:55:46 <cfields> i tried bisecting a while back, but llvm/clang proved to be too much to handle
 270 2014-12-31 06:56:38 <gmaxwell> cfields: any idea how exactly its malfunctioning here?
 271 2014-12-31 06:56:58 <cfields> robbak: if you'd like to confirm that we're seeing the same thing: nm -m bad/bitcoind | grep out_of_range
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 273 2014-12-31 06:58:12 <cfields> gmaxwell: vaguely, it's deeper into compiler jargon than i can really understand
 274 2014-12-31 06:59:39 <cfields> gmaxwell: typeinfo for exceptions gets munged, so they aren't caught properly
 275 2014-12-31 07:00:14 <robbak> cfields: lits of results to that command - what should I be looking for?
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 280 2014-12-31 07:06:03 <cfields> robbak: nm -m compat/libbitcoin_util_a-glibcxx_sanity.o | grep out_of_range | grep __datacoal_nt
 281 2014-12-31 07:06:13 <cfields> if that shows "automatically exported" or so, you're gonna have a bad time
 282 2014-12-31 07:06:24 <cfields> er.. automatically hidden
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 284 2014-12-31 07:08:30 <robbak> No results, cfields. By the way, whta does that -m argument do? our nm does not support it.
 285 2014-12-31 07:09:36 <cfields> oh, heh, i suppose it wouldn't. it shows osx-specific symbol info
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 287 2014-12-31 07:11:02 <cfields> robbak: i suppose we should back up a bit. In glibxx_sanity, we intentionally cause an exception to be thrown, then catch it. My problem with clang3.4+osx is that the typeinfo for that exception is busted, so we fail to catch it.
 288 2014-12-31 07:11:16 <cfields> it's worth taking a few secs to see if you're hitting the same thing
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 290 2014-12-31 07:12:54 <gmaxwell> cfields: super scarry that a catch(std::out_of_range) can just be silently busted; now I have an _new_ mental note on reasons to never use exceptions.
 291 2014-12-31 07:13:40 <cfields> gmaxwell: well, something is going horribly wrong in the compiler. we catch it in the sanity check, but otherwise it surely wouldn't get very far anyway
 292 2014-12-31 07:14:39 <robbak> OK, stepping through, it's in glibdxx_sanity_test().
 293 2014-12-31 07:14:44 <cfields> robbak: sec
 294 2014-12-31 07:15:29 <gmaxwell> cfields: you sure? I think in the codebase we don't explictly catch out_of_range anywhere.
 295 2014-12-31 07:16:05 <cfields> robbak: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Qxxri4Z1
 296 2014-12-31 07:16:38 <cfields> gmaxwell: for this particular issue, all typeinfo info seems to be busted
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 298 2014-12-31 07:17:03 <cfields> gmaxwell: this is pretty exotic though, it's the linux->osx cross build. robbak's problem may be much simpler
 299 2014-12-31 07:19:16 <cfields> gmaxwell: if you're interested, i'd be happy to share some info/dumps with you. debugging this one is far over my head. Also, it's fixed in clang 3.5, so it's hard to get motivated to pinpoint it :)
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 301 2014-12-31 07:20:55 <robbak> Still stepping, maybe for fun: confirmed that the fail is in sanity_test_range_fmt()
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 303 2014-12-31 07:21:57 <cfields> gmaxwell: also, if you're suspecting that i'm a flat-out idioit, i verified in the c++ spec that it must throw out_of_range in that case :)
 304 2014-12-31 07:22:29 <cfields> sigh. the irony is thick in that typo.
 305 2014-12-31 07:23:50 <gmaxwell> no, I already checked that. It's a screwed up scarry bug, but since it's fixed; I'm not sure what to do other than be thankful that we have some tests at startup.
 306 2014-12-31 07:24:16 <gmaxwell> perhaps promote a test to compile time.
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 308 2014-12-31 07:25:26 <cfields> i assumed it was just an artifact of the wacky osx cross build. if it turns out that robbak is seeing something similar, it's scarier than i'd thought
 309 2014-12-31 07:25:38 <cfields> yes, that makes sense
 310 2014-12-31 07:28:25 <wumpus> if the compiler is broken *anything* can be broken, not just exceptions, it would be a better mental reason to never use software gmaxwell :)
 311 2014-12-31 07:30:06 <s1w> let's just all start farming corn
 312 2014-12-31 07:30:08 <wumpus> it could as well have been multiplication that was broken, do we detect that anywhere?
 313 2014-12-31 07:30:16 <wumpus> yes :D
 314 2014-12-31 07:30:43 <s1w> we can probably remove mtgox from topi
 315 2014-12-31 07:30:43 <s1w> c
 316 2014-12-31 07:30:44 <s1w> lol
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 318 2014-12-31 07:31:14 <gmaxwell> wumpus: fair I suppose, but otoh, you wouldn't see a compiler make it into production that miscompiled multiply. :P
 319 2014-12-31 07:31:37 <s1w> bettah
 320 2014-12-31 07:31:43 <michagogo> Hm, why single out those two services?
 321 2014-12-31 07:31:57 <s1w> i'm too lazy to type the stuff i need to op up
 322 2014-12-31 07:31:58 <michagogo> Can you help me with BitPay Insight?
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 324 2014-12-31 07:32:03 <cfields> wumpus: heh, if you remember correctly, you argued for adding those sanity checks. i just added the silly/senseless checks rather than arguing with you about how ridiculous it was :)
 325 2014-12-31 07:32:09 <michagogo> How about GAit?
 326 2014-12-31 07:32:10 <s1w> oh no michagogo beat the system
 327 2014-12-31 07:32:17 <michagogo> s1w: /CS topic
 328 2014-12-31 07:32:24 <gmaxwell> michagogo: singles out things that have been frequent nussances here.
 329 2014-12-31 07:32:34 <cfields> wumpus: so you won that round :)
 330 2014-12-31 07:32:40 <gmaxwell> GAit manages to support its own users adequately, I guess!
 331 2014-12-31 07:32:41 <wumpus> cfields: yes, I know just how crazy things can go :-)
 332 2014-12-31 07:32:45 <michagogo> gmaxwell: really? Never seen anyone here ask for help with bitstamp
 333 2014-12-31 07:33:05 <michagogo> Not any time recently, at least
 334 2014-12-31 07:33:48 <cfields> wumpus: getting ready to push up a new osx toolchain that brings us out of the dark ages there. fixes all kinds of things i've wanted fixed for a while. next up is the linux toolchains
 335 2014-12-31 07:33:59 <wumpus> cfields: the sanity tests have already caught quite some problems, if only overheating CPUs were so easy to detect as (obviously) broken compilers
 336 2014-12-31 07:34:13 <cfields> (though, due to the bug above, we have to stay on clang 3.3 until 3.5 is easy enough to come by)
 337 2014-12-31 07:34:30 <michagogo> Don't overheating CPUs shut off?
 338 2014-12-31 07:34:34 <gmaxwell> wumpus: that odroid has had 4 copies of secp256k1 ./tests running for 732 minutes now without throwing an error. :-/
 339 2014-12-31 07:34:42 <gmaxwell> michagogo: one could be so lucky.
 340 2014-12-31 07:34:46 <warren> which odroid?
 341 2014-12-31 07:35:01 <michagogo> gmaxwell: what do you mean?
 342 2014-12-31 07:35:24 <wumpus> michagogo: either that or they start randomly corrupting your data
 343 2014-12-31 07:35:28 <gmaxwell> warren: one here which reliably bombs out during IBD with apparent memory corruption.
 344 2014-12-31 07:35:40 <warren> which model I mean
 345 2014-12-31 07:35:42 <warren> I have one
 346 2014-12-31 07:35:54 <gmaxwell> michagogo: we've had lots of reports from users over the years which ultimately were overheating issues.
 347 2014-12-31 07:35:56 <s1w> 732 minutes is quite a while
 348 2014-12-31 07:36:01 <wumpus> michagogo: depends on how much they're overheated I suppose, if they're against the threshold they can still somewhat function, if they melt they obviously shut down
 349 2014-12-31 07:36:02 <gmaxwell> warren: It's a U2.
 350 2014-12-31 07:36:17 <michagogo> Really? Haven't seen that happen
 351 2014-12-31 07:36:32 <warren> I have access to a U2 if you need to rule out bad hardware
 352 2014-12-31 07:36:49 <robbak> cfields: Yes, finally got around to adding your patch, and it is exactly that. The exception isn't being caught.
 353 2014-12-31 07:36:54 <michagogo> Isn't that what happens when the computer just turns off and then shows a thermal alarm/warning on boot?
 354 2014-12-31 07:37:00 <wumpus> gmaxwell: I've had similar issues with a x86 CPU whose fan I had to replace, some usage patterns worked fine, others caused strange behavior like corruptions and cores hard-hanging
 355 2014-12-31 07:37:19 <warren> michagogo: in Linux with modern processors it will often surpass a thermal threshold and throttle in an attempt to save itself.  you can see those events and MCE's in the Linux dmesg.
 356 2014-12-31 07:37:28 <cfields> robbak: clang 3.4 ?
 357 2014-12-31 07:37:44 <warren> michagogo: to my surprise my i5 desktop CPU went months without apparent crashes with the CPU fan unplugged...
 358 2014-12-31 07:37:46 <robbak> cfields: I don't know how to check!
 359 2014-12-31 07:37:49 <gmaxwell> warren: if you could build 0.10rc1 and try syncing the chain that would be good, but bad hardware seems pretty likely: wumpus has another quad core arm which synced without issue, and I successfully synced on a novena (yet another quad core arm)
 360 2014-12-31 07:37:59 <cfields> robbak: heh, clang -v
 361 2014-12-31 07:38:00 <wumpus> gmaxwell: and 'heavy CPU usage' wasn't the only distinction there, seemingly there's other factors in play that make work patterns suspicible to corruption
 362 2014-12-31 07:38:00 <michagogo> warren: wow
 363 2014-12-31 07:38:27 <robbak> cfields: Yes, 3.4.1
 364 2014-12-31 07:38:37 <michagogo> warren: and: Ah, maybe that's why I'm not familiar with it
 365 2014-12-31 07:38:47 <warren> gmaxwell: you have the optional fan for the U2?  It CAN'T survive without it.
 366 2014-12-31 07:38:47 <michagogo> I don't use Linux on bare metal
 367 2014-12-31 07:38:56 <gmaxwell> michagogo: we've had people show up bitching that bitcoin was crashy garbage and after much prodding got them to check the hardware and found things like (e.g. in one instance:) the heatsink fell off their cpu.
 368 2014-12-31 07:38:59 <wumpus> I have two quad-core ARMs, and two single-core ARMs synced with the chain
 369 2014-12-31 07:39:12 <michagogo> gmaxwell: wow
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 371 2014-12-31 07:39:36 <michagogo> I guess it must have landed fan-side up?
 372 2014-12-31 07:39:40 <gmaxwell> warren: it's sitting in proximity to one now, perhaps its not enough.
 373 2014-12-31 07:39:55 <gmaxwell> michagogo: or just on its side? dunno.
 374 2014-12-31 07:39:59 <warren> the U2 fan is super high speed
 375 2014-12-31 07:40:02 <michagogo> (Unless the fan is in some kind of tube)
 376 2014-12-31 07:40:07 <michagogo> gmaxwell: or that
 377 2014-12-31 07:40:08 <cfields> robbak: ok, thanks. that's really good to know. I'll have another look tomorrow with that knowledge
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 379 2014-12-31 07:40:33 <warren> FWIW I gave up on the U2 in part because it wasn't stable even with adequate cooling.
 380 2014-12-31 07:41:02 <michagogo> warren: is your TZ very negative or very positive?
 381 2014-12-31 07:41:10 <warren> huh?
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 383 2014-12-31 07:41:17 <michagogo> warren: your time zone
 384 2014-12-31 07:41:21 <warren> UTC-10
 385 2014-12-31 07:41:23 <gmaxwell> warren: it's 'nice' to know their new board has even the heatsink optional.
 386 2014-12-31 07:41:24 <michagogo> Iirc you're at some extreme edge
 387 2014-12-31 07:41:39 <robbak> cfields: Looking at a bit of info, I see that this caused another problem: I had to add #define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS to src/leveldb/helpers/memenv/memenv.cc because it expected a c99 macro.
 388 2014-12-31 07:41:50 <gmaxwell> warren: he was trying to figure out if it was time to wish you happy new year, I susspect.
 389 2014-12-31 07:42:18 <michagogo> (I ask because if it were positive, I'd suggest that you come over to #freenode-newyears, since you'd be pretty close to celebrating)
 390 2014-12-31 07:42:39 <michagogo> (Though of course you can still join in the fun)
 391 2014-12-31 07:43:02 <michagogo> (And get in before it goes out in a wallops or global and gets flooded)
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 395 2014-12-31 07:46:37 <op_mul> wumpus: without the fan plugged in? I ran a pentium 4 without any heatsink at all for a short period. only reason I stopped was that it smelled awful.
 396 2014-12-31 07:47:39 <wumpus> gmaxwell: another reasono always start the reindex from the genesis block and not a commited-to utxo, validating the chain prior to now is a good CPU sanity check
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 400 2014-12-31 07:49:57 <wumpus> op_mul: in my case it was just extremely dusty, and maybe a bit loose, it hadn't completely fallen off. Longest I've had a x86 system running without any fans at all would be ~10 seconds.
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 402 2014-12-31 07:54:45 <wumpus> in principle ARM boards shouldn't require active cooling, although it depends on the heat design of the enclosure, the quad core ones can get really hot.. I have e.g. a 'HDMI stick computer' one that can be made to overheat, too (and never even tried bitcoind on it). Oh and I remember the Guruplugs...
 403 2014-12-31 07:55:41 <op_mul> I don't like the "thermal design" of the odroid u3. it has the first load bearing capacitor I've ever seen in a piece of computer hardware. one side of it's heatsink rests on it.
 404 2014-12-31 07:56:11 <gmaxwell> erp actually it's a U3 I have not a U2.
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 408 2014-12-31 07:58:45 <cfields> wumpus: #5582 reads like the rantings of a mad-man. Sorry about that. There are lots of things at play, but most of it is osx-specific, and their toolchain changes are tough to keep up with, let alone explain. I'm happy to expand on anything you'd like
 409 2014-12-31 07:58:49 <wumpus> the fun story there was that they shipped this super-duper server edition with wifi, bluetooth, sata, 2x  ethernet in a very small box with bad thermal design and if you use any two of those intensively that just overheated... 
 410 2014-12-31 08:01:21 <op_mul> could be worse. you could be trying to run bitcoind on a raspberry pi like half of reddit.
 411 2014-12-31 08:01:25 <wumpus> cfields: my browser box doesn't seem to be responding, hearing that, it's probably good?
 412 2014-12-31 08:01:40 <gmaxwell> op_mul: :-/
 413 2014-12-31 08:02:02 <gmaxwell> op_mul: "fortunately" most of those people give up and never try running bitcoin core again. :-/
 414 2014-12-31 08:02:06 <cfields> wumpus: heh
 415 2014-12-31 08:02:06 <wumpus> cfields: I suppose it's too cold outside to do madman's rants on a crate, so github is an excellent venue where you can rant inside
 416 2014-12-31 08:02:39 <gmaxwell> cfields: time to make the dependency building stuff start building the toolchain? :)
 417 2014-12-31 08:02:56 <cfields> wumpus: for sure. in fact, i'd be the 2nd mad-man ranting on a bitcoin PR today :)
 418 2014-12-31 08:03:01 <cfields> or was that a comment?
 419 2014-12-31 08:03:23 <wumpus> cfields: no, I'm just jesting :)
 420 2014-12-31 08:03:24 <cfields> gmaxwell: ah, i forgot to mention. this one self-hosts, somewhat
 421 2014-12-31 08:04:27 <cfields> gmaxwell: not sure if you were joking, but that's part of what i'm aiming at here. osx grabs a pre-built clang, and builds its own binutils, so it's a really good candidate for working on deterministic builds without gitian
 422 2014-12-31 08:05:03 <cfields> wumpus: aww... it was taken down: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/5577
 423 2014-12-31 08:06:16 <warren> Were there issues with the cross compile toolchain used for 0.9.3?
 424 2014-12-31 08:06:25 <cfields> by "somewhat" self-hosting, i mean that it now uses the same clang binaries to build its own native binutils
 425 2014-12-31 08:06:37 <cfields> since clang is fancy, and can target multiple arches/os's in one binary
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 427 2014-12-31 08:07:39 <cfields> warren: no, but it was already outdated when it was added. this brings us back in line with apple's current sdk/linker/toolchain releases
 428 2014-12-31 08:07:45 <wumpus> cfields: huh, the whole issue was removed?
 429 2014-12-31 08:08:23 <cfields> wumpus: yea, it was a Russian censorship rant. Nuked from orbit as spam, I guess
 430 2014-12-31 08:08:47 <midnightmagic> by the by, is there someone mirroring or at least backing up the github issues database?
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 434 2014-12-31 08:09:52 <cfields> wumpus: hah! is your "HDMI stick" amlogic-based?
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 436 2014-12-31 08:10:37 <wumpus> cfields: it's a GK802, IMx6 based. Same chip as the cubox-i and hummingboard (which do work very well) but they hugely messed up the thermal design
 437 2014-12-31 08:10:53 <cfields> ah, ok
 438 2014-12-31 08:11:10 <wumpus> midnightmagic: I'm working on that (but no, not at this moment)
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 440 2014-12-31 08:11:15 <warren> amlogic is am-azingly bad.
 441 2014-12-31 08:11:19 <midnightmagic> wumpus: thank you.
 442 2014-12-31 08:11:35 <midnightmagic> (like, for the answer I mean :)
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 444 2014-12-31 08:12:20 <wumpus> midnightmagic: IIRC you can dump everything through the API, doesn't require any special privileges on the project
 445 2014-12-31 08:12:44 <midnightmagic> wumpus: I was looking into doing it privately Because Github.
 446 2014-12-31 08:13:05 <wumpus> midnightmagic: but it's one of the many things I started working on, then some other issue came in between, and I never came back to it :)
 447 2014-12-31 08:13:10 <op_mul> midnightmagic: I do some basic integrity checks on a bunch of bitcoin related repos.
 448 2014-12-31 08:13:33 <midnightmagic> wiki is a git repo, repo is a git repo, and I guess the API for dumping the rest of it. where do the code comments go?
 449 2014-12-31 08:13:49 <gmaxwell> op_mul: there is no way to get the issues and pullreq data if github blocks our access, goes down, etc.
 450 2014-12-31 08:13:50 <cfields> nnite
 451 2014-12-31 08:13:58 <wumpus> midnightmagic: we don't use the wiki. All the comments are metadata which you can query through the API, and not in git.
 452 2014-12-31 08:14:06 <wumpus> cfields: nn!
 453 2014-12-31 08:14:17 <op_mul> gmaxwell: unless someone archives them, that is.
 454 2014-12-31 08:14:58 <op_mul> my git bitcoin and bitcointalk archives are getting stale, but I'll re-run them soon.
 455 2014-12-31 08:16:03 <wumpus> an (incremental) backup of that stuff is very feasible, see https://github.com/joeyh/github-backup
 456 2014-12-31 08:16:21 <op_mul> I recovered a lot of the original sourceforce stuff before it was shuffled around as well.
 457 2014-12-31 08:17:02 <op_mul> one of their mirrors was stuck, which was handy.
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 459 2014-12-31 08:19:52 <op_mul> wumpus: postprocessing things without APIs is the hard part. bitcointalk is annoying because a lot of the threads get jumbled by deleted posts, so it's an almost constant job rebuilding the databases.
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 461 2014-12-31 08:20:58 <wumpus> op_mul: ugh
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 463 2014-12-31 08:23:35 <op_mul> wumpus: could be worse, could be trying to archive twitpic.com. oh wait. we are. http://tracker.archiveteam.org/twitpic2/
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 467 2014-12-31 08:29:20 <midnightmagic> op_mul: i think there's a backup archive of some sort you can get from bitcointalk..?
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 469 2014-12-31 08:29:54 <op_mul> midnightmagic: ಠ_ಠ,
 470 2014-12-31 08:30:06 <op_mul> better not be. there's one of the bitcoin wiki.
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 472 2014-12-31 08:31:20 <wumpus> op_mul: they're building an archive of silly selfies and cat pictures?
 473 2014-12-31 08:32:24 <op_mul> yup.
 474 2014-12-31 08:32:44 <op_mul> 100+ TB of them.
 475 2014-12-31 08:35:18 <op_mul> you could say the same about bitcointalk. it's mostly altcoins and idiots, but there's some gems in the filth.
 476 2014-12-31 08:36:15 <wumpus> but at least that's text, that sounds more manageable
 477 2014-12-31 08:36:26 <Luke-Jr> eh? the wiki has cat pictures and selfies? O.o
 478 2014-12-31 08:36:45 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: not that I know of at least :-)
 479 2014-12-31 08:37:15 * Luke-Jr confused
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 481 2014-12-31 08:37:50 <op_mul> Luke-Jr: wumpus was talking about my link, a team archiving twitpic, not bitcoin wiki.
 482 2014-12-31 08:37:58 <Luke-Jr> oh
 483 2014-12-31 08:38:07 <Luke-Jr> haha, I totally missed that
 484 2014-12-31 08:39:27 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: btw, in case you missed it in the noise, the suspected consensus issue was not one
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 486 2014-12-31 08:43:29 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: oh, good to know!
 487 2014-12-31 08:44:12 <Luke-Jr> ended up being a default copy constructor rather than the expected constructor due to a lack of pointer type
 488 2014-12-31 08:45:19 <wumpus> so still a bug in the code, but not consensus critical?
 489 2014-12-31 08:45:30 <Luke-Jr> a bug in the pull request I was using to reproduce it
 490 2014-12-31 08:46:17 <Luke-Jr> so I submitted a new pull request (#5580) to prevent accidentally using the default copy constructor in the future (compiler error)
 491 2014-12-31 08:46:54 <wumpus> always good to avoid bugs before they happen
 492 2014-12-31 08:47:50 <Luke-Jr> indeed. I should probably rebase Eligius so it can't hit the issue. <.<
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 513 2014-12-31 09:22:46 <shesek> anyone feels like taking a look over my ephemeral-static ecdh implementation? https://github.com/shesek/ecdh-es/blob/master/src/ecdh.coffee / https://github.com/shesek/ecdh-es/blob/master/lib/ecdh.js
 514 2014-12-31 09:23:26 <shesek> I'm pretty confident about it, but still feel a bit irky implementing that stuff myself :/
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 524 2014-12-31 09:44:47 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: re: #5534, are you going to rebase it or was it already included in some other pull?
 525 2014-12-31 09:48:23 <Luke-Jr> missed the needs rebase, sec
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 529 2014-12-31 09:52:05 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: k, done
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 531 2014-12-31 09:57:35 <gmaxwell> shesek: I'm unfamilar with the language so it makes it hard to review (e.g. exactly how these comparisons work, e.g. can you avoid the auth by truncating it, wouldn't be obvious to me. Or even what data it covers. Looks like you're only using the X coordinate, so there is a modified message that would also decrypt (one with r having the opposite sign). It not clear how errors are handled here, e.g. d
 532 2014-12-31 09:57:41 <gmaxwell> oes your ECC code check if the point is on the curve? and if its not, what happens when that point,scalar multiply fails?  You could avoid the overhead of seralizing an AES IV by using your ecdh-keyed KDF to also produce the AES IV (this is doubly easy to do if you use AES-128, ... AES-256 is certificationally weaker than AES-128 in any case).
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 534 2014-12-31 09:58:40 <gmaxwell> (see also https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/07/another_new_aes.html )
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 537 2014-12-31 09:59:39 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: leveldb was updated last minute? or just forgot the changelog entry?
 538 2014-12-31 10:00:13 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: no, not exactly last minute
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 540 2014-12-31 10:00:29 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: it mentions the commit id so you can check when it was
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 542 2014-12-31 10:01:53 <Luke-Jr> ah, October
 543 2014-12-31 10:03:55 <shesek> gmaxwell, I'm not sure which comparisons you're referring to
 544 2014-12-31 10:04:52 <shesek> if I understand correctly, using the X coordinate is the standard way to do ecdh, isn't it?
 545 2014-12-31 10:05:30 <shesek> and the message is being checksummed, so a modified message wouldn't be considered valid by the recipient
 546 2014-12-31 10:05:58 <gmaxwell> shesek: the hmac comparison, e.g. buff_eq e.g. that would be not secure if it was strcmp.
 547 2014-12-31 10:06:00 <shesek> the internal libraries (ecurve/ecdsa from cryptocoinjs) do handle out-of-curve points properly (by throwing an error early)
 548 2014-12-31 10:06:25 <shesek> gmaxwell, buff_eq converts the buffers the an hex string and compares that
 549 2014-12-31 10:06:44 <gmaxwell> shesek: there is no "standard" way to do "ecdh" as a whole. And what you're implementing here is ECIES, not just ECDH.
 550 2014-12-31 10:07:30 <gmaxwell> shesek: in any case, as I said, the scheme there is somewhat malleable, because it's ignoring the sign. This may or may not be problematic for your application.
 551 2014-12-31 10:08:12 <gmaxwell> alternatively, using the whole serialization of r in your KDF would remove the malleability.
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 555 2014-12-31 10:14:55 <Luke-Jr> aha, the reason I didn't encounter that not-consensus-issue problem before was because it didn't affect 0.9.x, and was introduced in rebasing :D
 556 2014-12-31 10:15:22 <Luke-Jr> now I realise what the dummy argument to the constructor was for..
 557 2014-12-31 10:15:50 <shesek> gmaxwell, wouldn't the checksum (which is HMAC'd with a shared secret), already prevent malleability?
 558 2014-12-31 10:16:32 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: rc2 today, by chance?
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 562 2014-12-31 10:20:53 <gmaxwell> shesek: r does not appear to be under your HMAC.
 563 2014-12-31 10:21:53 <shesek> and yes, I was thinking of creating the IV based on the shared secret at some point, but end up not doing that because my sha512 hmac didn't provide enough data (not that its a problem to use another kdf, was mainly just being lazy)
 564 2014-12-31 10:22:01 <gdm85> michagogo: I think in the example mentioned on wiki, it should go like this: https://github.com/gdm85/tenku/blob/master/docker/gitian-bitcoin-host/bin/build-bitcoin.sh#L54
 565 2014-12-31 10:22:19 <gmaxwell> shesek: well it does provide enough data if you use AES-128-CBC.
 566 2014-12-31 10:22:47 <gmaxwell> (which has a stronger general security story than AES-256-CBC, and its faster to boot.)
 567 2014-12-31 10:22:54 <shesek> switching to aes128 does make that easier... though I understand that aes-256 being unfavorable is not that much of a clear cut
 568 2014-12-31 10:23:33 <shesek> though, to my understanding, it is pretty clear that aes-256 doesn't provide any additional security, even if it doesn't harm it much
 569 2014-12-31 10:23:35 <midnightmagic> it is if you think break velocity is measurable. :)
 570 2014-12-31 10:23:49 <shesek> I'll switch over to it as the default, there's no reason not to, really
 571 2014-12-31 10:24:08 <shesek> btw - I could also create an IV based on H(ephemeral_pubkey)
 572 2014-12-31 10:24:41 <shesek> after all, it just needs to be unique, not secret... no reason to derive it from the shared secret
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 574 2014-12-31 10:24:45 <gmaxwell> shesek: moreover the curve you're using only has 2^128 security, so it's kind of a wash. The only reason to use AES 256 is because you'd hope that it has additional security margin, but it seems that it may well not. (as there are stronger, though inapplicable, attacks against AES-256).
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 576 2014-12-31 10:25:01 <gmaxwell> shesek: indeed, you could do that as well.
 577 2014-12-31 10:26:03 <gmaxwell> shesek: alas, what you're doing is incompatible with what electrum does, I believe. But I suppose you don't care about compatiblity.
 578 2014-12-31 10:26:41 <shesek> what does electrum use it for?
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 580 2014-12-31 10:27:01 <gmaxwell> placating users who ask for features they probably ought not ever use? :)
 581 2014-12-31 10:27:30 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: nah, I won't get much work done today or tomorrow, so I don't think releasing rc2 is a good idea
 582 2014-12-31 10:27:42 <gmaxwell> There is some general 'encrypt message' function; their first attempt at it was so throughly broken ... well it stopped just sort of finding a way to leak the secret key, but was bad in every other way.
 583 2014-12-31 10:27:57 <Luke-Jr> oh right, Gregorian calendar new year
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 585 2014-12-31 10:28:04 <gmaxwell> Their next retry was much better.
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 587 2014-12-31 10:28:38 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: asap after that is fine with me, though
 588 2014-12-31 10:28:41 <gmaxwell> But the first one is fun if you want to cryptanalyize something. I especially liked that there were some messages which would always be silently corrupted on decryption.
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 590 2014-12-31 10:28:57 <shesek> huh, how did that happen?
 591 2014-12-31 10:29:08 <gdm85> shesek: padding can do that :)
 592 2014-12-31 10:29:23 <gdm85> but no idea specifically about the one gmaxwell was referring to
 593 2014-12-31 10:29:39 <gmaxwell> shesek: It was like a opus of cryptographic failure.
 594 2014-12-31 10:30:40 <gmaxwell> here is the code they used (after replacing the rng with a cryptographic one): https://github.com/jackjack-jj/jeeq/blob/master/jeeq.py
 595 2014-12-31 10:32:57 <shesek> haha, "Don't even think about implementing that into a working project." (from that project's README)
 596 2014-12-31 10:33:32 <shesek> why do people keep messing up using a proper CSPRNG?
 597 2014-12-31 10:33:35 <gmaxwell> shesek: well they _did_ go and replace the totally insecure RNG one with a real one.
 598 2014-12-31 10:34:10 <shesek> well, yes, eventually...
 599 2014-12-31 10:34:16 <gmaxwell> oh also, the readme appears to have been modified in response to people using it and me showing it insecure.
 600 2014-12-31 10:34:22 <shesek> if this was widely use for anything, this could've caused some real damage to someone
 601 2014-12-31 10:34:38 <gmaxwell> (but without fixing the software!)
 602 2014-12-31 10:34:40 <gmaxwell> https://github.com/jackjack-jj/jeeq/commit/2ae25087bbb2261ec1a1939e38147690b7d22cd1
 603 2014-12-31 10:34:50 <michagogo> gdm85: not sure if I'm missing context, but you'll want to checkout the tag you're building in the repo
 604 2014-12-31 10:35:01 <gmaxwell> shesek: yea, it was deployed in electrum. Though fortunately, only for about an hour.
 605 2014-12-31 10:35:04 <michagogo> So you're using the right descriptor
 606 2014-12-31 10:35:16 <Luke-Jr> lol
 607 2014-12-31 10:35:40 <michagogo> For example, building 0.9 with master's descriptor won't turn out well
 608 2014-12-31 10:35:45 <gmaxwell> shesek: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/bitcoin-development/thread/5325B5BC.3030501@gmx.de/
 609 2014-12-31 10:36:05 <gdm85> michagogo: yes. however I am not referring to tag issues. the only thing I would change in the wiki is that one could directly clone in gitian-builder/inputs/bitcoin
 610 2014-12-31 10:36:25 <gmaxwell> yea, so that readme update was months and months after that incident.
 611 2014-12-31 10:36:40 <gdm85> michagogo: so that once you run download(-linux) in depends, the configure and build done by the gitian descriptor will be all fine
 612 2014-12-31 10:36:44 <gmaxwell> god knows why it wasn't replaced with something working. :-/
 613 2014-12-31 10:36:45 <shesek> gmaxwell, well, I somewhat doubt that electrum's message encryption is being used much, especially right after when it was released, but probably not today either
 614 2014-12-31 10:37:24 <Polylith> A bit related, I took a look at this link about Rijndael: http://www.cryptosystem.net/aes/#IsAesOk - Butt-ugly website, though.
 615 2014-12-31 10:37:30 <shesek> so it probably didn't make any real damage... but still, people should be more responsible about what they release
 616 2014-12-31 10:37:43 <gdm85> btw, I have updated my scripts to do gitian builds through a few docker images and a docker container -> https://github.com/gdm85/tenku/tree/master/docker/gitian-bitcoin-host
 617 2014-12-31 10:37:47 <gmaxwell> shesek: it's not really useful in general. It's much better that people use PGP.
 618 2014-12-31 10:37:51 <michagogo> gdm85: not sure which wiki you mean, but whatever you do, wherever you clone the repo, you need to check out whatever you're building
 619 2014-12-31 10:38:11 <gdm85> I will also push the images directly on the Docker hub, although I prefer/advise people to read the source and build the images themselves
 620 2014-12-31 10:38:23 <Polylith> I've generally been wary of using AES for a lot of years. In every instance where I was forced to use it, I also opted for AES-128 instead of AES-256
 621 2014-12-31 10:38:27 <gmaxwell> Polylith: I doubt the sanity of the author of that website.
 622 2014-12-31 10:38:32 <gdm85> with images on that public server it becomes a one-liner to make a gitian build of the core
 623 2014-12-31 10:38:49 <gdm85> michagogo: here, the part that says "Optional: seed the gitian sources cache"
 624 2014-12-31 10:39:03 <shesek> gmaxwell, I'm actually wondering about that myself - whether I should implement PGP (openpgpjs looks pretty good) or just go with ecdh with the keys I already have
 625 2014-12-31 10:39:07 <gmaxwell> Polylith: next version of it will look like http://www.timecube.com/
 626 2014-12-31 10:39:30 <gdm85> michagogo: (I might be wrong), but I thought that it's a bit misleading to not tell user that s/he needs to seed the same repo that will be used by the gitian descriptor
 627 2014-12-31 10:39:30 <shesek> it would take much less overhead, too
 628 2014-12-31 10:39:42 <gdm85> michagogo: or maybe there's another way, but I wasn't smart enough to see it
 629 2014-12-31 10:39:55 <gmaxwell> shesek: for a narrow domain application, something 'custom' _may_ be okay.  In that you're already solving authenticating the parties with each other some other way, due to application constraints you'll never need to deal with a gigabyte message, et.c
 630 2014-12-31 10:40:18 <gmaxwell> (otherwise I would have bludgeoned you.)
 631 2014-12-31 10:40:32 <Polylith> gmaxwell: Yeah, I remember that. Another nonsense work in similar vein would be "The 10th Dimension"
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 633 2014-12-31 10:41:00 <gdm85> michagogo: the change I'd propose would be: ```make -C inputs/bitcoin/depends download SOURCES_PATH=`pwd`/cache/common``` (given that you previously cloned in inputs/bitcoin)
 634 2014-12-31 10:41:14 <gdm85> notice how ".." -> "inputs"
 635 2014-12-31 10:41:16 <shesek> some of it is very application-specific - encrypting some contract data end-to-end, passing around application-specific tokens, etc
 636 2014-12-31 10:41:23 <Polylith> gmaxwell: But otherwise, I don't care much about the author himself, and rather examine the merits of his claims.
 637 2014-12-31 10:41:50 <gmaxwell> in other news, I'm down one node... don't have enough space anymore on this 60GB ssd that this host has.
 638 2014-12-31 10:41:52 <wumpus> gdm85: but you don't need to clone there; you could have cloned anywhere, to get ie the descriptors
 639 2014-12-31 10:42:06 <shesek> but for messaging, which is also inside the application but more general-purpose, I think that going with something that's compatible with PGP probably makes sense
 640 2014-12-31 10:42:19 <gdm85> wumpus: yes, that's how I was doing it before. first clone to get the descriptors, then let gitian clone inputs/bitcoin on its own
 641 2014-12-31 10:42:24 <Polylith> Similarly, I'm usually not someone who jumps on bandwagons, because I usually look for the cause and origin of why they become widespread.
 642 2014-12-31 10:42:25 <wumpus> gdm85: it doesn't matter what tree you use as long as it is at the same commit that you're building
 643 2014-12-31 10:42:34 <shesek> e.g. to make it possible to validate signatures using external softwares
 644 2014-12-31 10:42:51 <wumpus> gdm85: the depends fetch only fetches to the specified source dir, it doesn't store anything in the tree itself
 645 2014-12-31 10:42:54 <Luke-Jr> gdm85: -u bitcoin=/path/to/your/local/clone <-- good idea
 646 2014-12-31 10:43:28 <gdm85> wumpus: yes, also that was OK. but as far as I (mis)understand, once you run make download-linux in depends, it also prepares something for the later build steps of the repo root (..), namely where the cached files will be found
 647 2014-12-31 10:43:30 <wumpus> gdm85: though it needs to be at the same commit (just like the descriptors) to make sure you're getting the right depedencies
 648 2014-12-31 10:44:57 <gdm85> wumpus: yes that's not the problem. if I clone in ~/bitcoin and run make -C ~/bitcoin/depends download-linux SOURCES_PATH=~/gitian-builder/cache/common, then the bitcoin that will be cloned automatically (by gitian?) will not know about the cache
 649 2014-12-31 10:45:20 <gdm85> well at least this is what I have seen, hence I clone into ~/gitian-builder/inputs/bitcoin directly and issue was gone
 650 2014-12-31 10:45:29 <wumpus> gdm85: it always knows about the cache, through gitian
 651 2014-12-31 10:45:41 <wumpus> gdm85: you shouldn't have to do anything special there, if you have that's a bug
 652 2014-12-31 10:45:59 <wumpus> gdm85: gitian itself will clone into that directory, normally you don't touch it yourself
 653 2014-12-31 10:46:24 <gdm85> wumpus: ok, but can we exclude that `make download-linux` in depends will change some file that is later needed by the build?
 654 2014-12-31 10:47:14 <wumpus> it regards it as its own clone; so it could, for example, do a complete wipe of the tree at any point (not that it does, but it's not part of any user servicable parts)
 655 2014-12-31 10:47:42 <wumpus> gdm85: make download should *not* change any files in the tree itself, as I mentioned above
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 658 2014-12-31 10:48:06 <gdm85> ok, then will double-check my steps again
 659 2014-12-31 10:48:10 <wumpus> gdm85: at least if you specify an explicit download path (which according to the instructions, you should)
 660 2014-12-31 10:56:06 <michagogo> Also iirc gitian's clone isn't actually a clone
 661 2014-12-31 10:56:30 <michagogo> A full clone, rather
 662 2014-12-31 10:56:57 <michagogo> It does something to fetch less than a full clone would or something
 663 2014-12-31 10:57:09 <gdm85> --depth=1
 664 2014-12-31 10:57:12 <michagogo> ;;lucky gitian-builder github
 665 2014-12-31 10:57:13 <gribble> https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder
 666 2014-12-31 10:58:02 <gdm85> it doesn't clone again if it finds an existing one in inputs/bitcoin, but I don't want to rely on this "feature"
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 668 2014-12-31 10:59:10 <gdm85> although in a way it is an optimization to not have to clone twice
 669 2014-12-31 10:59:28 <gdm85> but meh..simplicity and reproducibility is more important
 670 2014-12-31 11:00:25 <michagogo> Looks like no `git clone`
 671 2014-12-31 11:00:47 <michagogo> It inits, then fetches heads and tags from the remote url
 672 2014-12-31 11:00:59 <michagogo> Then checks out the commit/tag given
 673 2014-12-31 11:01:18 <michagogo> I guess to allow you to easily specify different URLs?
 674 2014-12-31 11:02:54 <gdm85> interesting.
 675 2014-12-31 11:03:22 <gdm85> btw, it's working fine with two repos (one in ~/bitcoin and the one automatically created by gitian in inputs). so my bad, sorry :s
 676 2014-12-31 11:03:56 <gdm85> I'll go for the two repos way (one for the descriptor, one managed by gitian-builder). more forward-compatible
 677 2014-12-31 11:04:00 <Luke-Jr> gdm85: I just told you how to not clone twice..
 678 2014-12-31 11:04:21 <gdm85> Luke-Jr: that is a parameter for gitian?
 679 2014-12-31 11:04:24 <Luke-Jr> yes
 680 2014-12-31 11:04:35 <gdm85> nice. thanks
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 684 2014-12-31 11:13:31 <gdm85> Luke-Jr: https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/blob/master/bin/gbuild#L240 <-- it will still do a fetch
 685 2014-12-31 11:13:37 <gdm85> while before I was piggy-backing on this: https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/blob/master/bin/gbuild#L237
 686 2014-12-31 11:13:54 <gdm85> but nvm, overengineering
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 688 2014-12-31 11:16:11 <Luke-Jr> gdm85: a fetch from local
 689 2014-12-31 11:17:00 <gdm85> Luke-Jr: yes. I am not pedant with file writes, but there is a tool in docker which allows to diff a running container against the base image it was spawned from. when you have many files changed it looks a bit nasty, that's all
 690 2014-12-31 11:17:30 <gdm85> (in this case duplicate files)
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 692 2014-12-31 11:19:09 <gdm85> yeah I will use -u as you suggested, works neat
 693 2014-12-31 11:21:56 <Jouke> I use ./bitcoin -onion=xxx -externalip=xxx.onion -discover, but I don't have any ipv6 nodes connected. (174 connections)
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 696 2014-12-31 11:23:11 <Jouke> Oh, version 0.9.1 apparantly
 697 2014-12-31 11:24:38 <michagogo> Jouke: check the log to see if you're binding to IPv6?
 698 2014-12-31 11:24:59 <michagogo> And if the IPv6 address is being discovered?
 699 2014-12-31 11:25:16 <michagogo> Er, wait, this is the wrong channel. #bitcoin
 700 2014-12-31 11:33:11 <gdm85> ./bin/gbuild:25:in `sanitize': unsanitary string in /home/debian/bitcoin (RuntimeError) <-- strange
 701 2014-12-31 11:36:22 <gdm85> Luke-Jr: for some reason doesn't like -u bitcoin=/home/debian/bitcoin (it fails sanitization test at https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/blob/master/bin/gbuild#L236)
 702 2014-12-31 11:36:26 <gdm85> it wants it to be an URL
 703 2014-12-31 11:36:39 <gdm85> I might submit an issue to allow local paths as URIs
 704 2014-12-31 11:36:45 <Luke-Jr> odd
 705 2014-12-31 11:36:47 <Luke-Jr> it worked for me
 706 2014-12-31 11:37:16 <Luke-Jr> "dir" isn't -u
 707 2014-12-31 11:38:32 <gdm85> Luke-Jr: my mistake.. I was using --commit
 708 2014-12-31 11:38:43 <Luke-Jr> ☺
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 718 2014-12-31 11:54:15 <Luke-Jr> woo, happy 4 years of bitcoin anniversary for me :P
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 721 2014-12-31 11:55:41 <Polylith> Luke-Jr: Roughly the same here. :)
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 732 2014-12-31 12:26:50 <sipa> Luke-Jr: what do you count as your start date?
 733 2014-12-31 12:28:33 <Luke-Jr> sipa: sometime around now
 734 2014-12-31 12:28:46 <Luke-Jr> Bitcoin Core says Jan 2, but it also says I got faucet first
 735 2014-12-31 12:28:51 <Luke-Jr> so I'm guessing it took a bit to sync
 736 2014-12-31 12:28:56 <Luke-Jr> or something
 737 2014-12-31 12:29:14 <michagogo> Luke-Jr: well, you can check the block timestamps
 738 2014-12-31 12:29:14 <Luke-Jr> (first tx should be the 1 BTC from #freenode-newyears)
 739 2014-12-31 12:29:35 <sipa> iirc i started mining around decmber 19
 740 2014-12-31 12:29:55 <sipa> i participated in slush's 3rd block afaik
 741 2014-12-31 12:30:00 <Luke-Jr> :o
 742 2014-12-31 12:30:10 <Luke-Jr> Jan 4 was my first CPU mining payout
 743 2014-12-31 12:30:44 <Luke-Jr> I was too busy trying to figure out how to make TBC at first
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 745 2014-12-31 12:31:00 <Luke-Jr> and people kept telling me BTC was all there was..
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 747 2014-12-31 12:31:44 <michagogo> Luke-Jr: haha
 748 2014-12-31 12:33:09 <Luke-Jr> I think I never got a straight answer re satoshis until I dug into the code myself <.<
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 751 2014-12-31 12:35:49 <michagogo> What about them?
 752 2014-12-31 12:36:32 <Luke-Jr> michagogo: back then, everyone in #bitcoin-dev denied there was an integer unit
 753 2014-12-31 12:36:45 <Luke-Jr> everything was BTC with 2 decimal places
 754 2014-12-31 12:39:07 <sipa> lol
 755 2014-12-31 12:39:39 <michagogo> omg
 756 2014-12-31 12:39:43 <michagogo> really?
 757 2014-12-31 12:39:51 <Luke-Jr> yes
 758 2014-12-31 12:40:01 <michagogo> #bitcoin is one thing
 759 2014-12-31 12:40:11 <michagogo> But in -dev? o_O
 760 2014-12-31 12:40:20 <Luke-Jr> it was a different bitcoin world back then
 761 2014-12-31 12:40:47 <Luke-Jr> sipa: you remember that? :P
 762 2014-12-31 12:41:10 <michagogo> How far back do the logs go?
 763 2014-12-31 12:41:25 <Luke-Jr> michagogo: also, back then, #bitcoin was p2p discovery only
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 765 2014-12-31 12:42:01 <sipa> Luke-Jr: nope
 766 2014-12-31 12:42:01 <michagogo> What do you mean?
 767 2014-12-31 12:42:23 <sipa> the #bitcoin irc channel just had bitcoin nodes joining it
 768 2014-12-31 12:42:27 <Luke-Jr> hmm, my logs only seem to go back to 2011 Jan 20 :/
 769 2014-12-31 12:42:32 <michagogo> As in, IRC seeding? I thought those were 100 different channels on some other network
 770 2014-12-31 12:42:42 <Luke-Jr> michagogo: that was later/in transition
 771 2014-12-31 12:42:44 <sipa> the 100 different channels was much later
 772 2014-12-31 12:42:49 <sipa> and on a different server
 773 2014-12-31 12:45:32 <Luke-Jr> I think lfnet was in use by Jan 2011, but only in the most recent versions
 774 2014-12-31 12:45:42 <Luke-Jr> and still just the 1 channel
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 779 2014-12-31 12:51:45 <sipa> yup
 780 2014-12-31 12:52:07 <sipa> and #bitcoin on freenode was unused, because earlier versions were etill joining there for seeding
 781 2014-12-31 12:52:16 <sipa> (and did until years later)
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 783 2014-12-31 12:55:54 <gmaxwell> they still show up sometimes.
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 785 2014-12-31 12:56:18 <Luke-Jr> no ban on them?
 786 2014-12-31 12:56:48 <gmaxwell> why bother?
 787 2014-12-31 12:57:03 * Luke-Jr shrugs
 788 2014-12-31 12:57:23 <michagogo> Does anyone have any clue why this still exists? http://imgur.com/a/BJ0VI
 789 2014-12-31 12:57:25 <Luke-Jr> hide exploitable IPs?
 790 2014-12-31 12:57:59 <Luke-Jr> michagogo: well, I can see cases where you might want an alphabetic list of where you sent - just not the address book button
 791 2014-12-31 12:58:26 <michagogo> At the very least the label is misleading
 792 2014-12-31 12:58:51 <michagogo> "your Bitcoin addresses for sending payment" is weird
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 794 2014-12-31 12:59:09 <michagogo> Makes it seem like addresses that are yours that you use for sending
 795 2014-12-31 12:59:50 <Luke-Jr> it makes sense to me. barely. could be improved I'm sure
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 861 2014-12-31 14:53:09 <gdm85> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=duM4Ba0Q <-- is this an acceptable difference?
 862 2014-12-31 14:53:14 <gdm85> if yes I will submit a PR with my sigs
 863 2014-12-31 14:53:23 <gdm85> I have absolutely no idea why the source archive checksum differs
 864 2014-12-31 14:54:19 <gdm85> oh well, maybe it's the release name
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 895 2014-12-31 15:36:48 <michagogo> gdm85: the release difference is a problem
 896 2014-12-31 15:36:59 <michagogo> The src tarball is known to be broken
 897 2014-12-31 15:37:25 <gdm85> michagogo: but they are unrelated?
 898 2014-12-31 15:37:37 <michagogo> gdm85: see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/b3d67e1c34aa65a6d4587e3aa1b533b333efaeb4
 899 2014-12-31 15:37:39 <michagogo> Yes, unrelated
 900 2014-12-31 15:37:49 <michagogo> Release is because you gave gsign the wrong argument
 901 2014-12-31 15:38:01 <gdm85> yes, I am going to fix that on next iteration
 902 2014-12-31 15:38:06 <michagogo> Make sure you're following the release-process.md of the tag you're building
 903 2014-12-31 15:38:23 <gdm85> I think I am pretty much there, if the source is known to be non-matching
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 905 2014-12-31 15:38:30 <michagogo> And the tarball seems to be a difference between those building in KVM and those building in LXC
 906 2014-12-31 15:38:34 <michagogo> A permissions issue
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 908 2014-12-31 15:38:52 <michagogo> Which are you using?
 909 2014-12-31 15:39:17 <michagogo> Actually, no need to tell me
 910 2014-12-31 15:39:22 <michagogo> I see you're using lc
 911 2014-12-31 15:39:23 <michagogo> lxc*
 912 2014-12-31 15:39:33 <gdm85> actually it's LXC + vmbuilder
 913 2014-12-31 15:39:37 <michagogo> (you match my source tarball)
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 915 2014-12-31 15:39:45 <michagogo> Hm? What do you mean?
 916 2014-12-31 15:39:52 <gdm85> see https://github.com/gdm85/tenku/tree/master/docker/gitian-host and https://github.com/gdm85/tenku/tree/master/docker/gitian-bitcoin-host
 917 2014-12-31 15:39:59 <gdm85> the former depicts how it works internally
 918 2014-12-31 15:40:16 <gdm85> yeah, it's LXC - sorry
 919 2014-12-31 15:40:29 <gdm85> I mean it's twice LXC (first layer docker, second gitian-builder's LXC)
 920 2014-12-31 15:40:39 <gdm85> but doesn't matter for end result
 921 2014-12-31 15:41:08 <michagogo> (Also, you don't need a precise i386 VM for Bitcoin Core anymore)
 922 2014-12-31 15:41:34 <gdm85> because of ccache I guess?
 923 2014-12-31 15:42:09 <gdm85> s/ccache/cross-arch building tool/
 924 2014-12-31 15:42:34 <gdm85> well, good to know - that part can be skipped. although it still makes sense for a generic gitian building tool
 925 2014-12-31 15:42:39 <gdm85> (a bit less for bitcoin project)
 926 2014-12-31 15:43:20 <gdm85> the idea was to use generic gitian-host for other software as well, and the bitcoin-specific one to create signatures for each release
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 929 2014-12-31 15:44:41 <michagogo> gdm85: because of the depends system
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 938 2014-12-31 16:01:27 <gdm85> michagogo: re https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/b3d67e1c34aa65a6d4587e3aa1b533b333efaeb4 is it just an issue of permissions? has it been excluded that it's due to file order?
 939 2014-12-31 16:01:49 <gdm85> I remember playing a bit with that e.g. put a canonically sorted list of files in a newlines-separated list, then use --files-from
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 943 2014-12-31 16:04:04 <gdm85> although in that case I was troubleshooting locale issues (locale influences default tar sorting order)
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 974 2014-12-31 16:11:14 <michagogo> gdm85: pretty sure cfields compared the two tarballs
 975 2014-12-31 16:11:16 <michagogo> So, yeah
 976 2014-12-31 16:11:24 <gdm85> k
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 978 2014-12-31 16:11:30 <michagogo> (you'll notice that we do sort the files)
 979 2014-12-31 16:12:26 <gdm85> mmh..but that's not using --stable
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 990 2014-12-31 16:20:21 <gdm85> the locale issue was addressed here: https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/pull/57
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1014 2014-12-31 16:59:56 <tigershark> I'm trying to build Bitcoin using gitian and running into an error. I followed the tutorial, built the images successfully, then when running gbuild I get this "/home/ubuntu/build/bitcoin/depends: No such file or directory." Any ideas?
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1019 2014-12-31 17:04:22 <StephenM347> Does anyone understand the motivation behind Sergio Lerner's suggestion in the Bitcoin Development mailing list to allow the Coinbase TX to spend UTXOs and remove the restriction that it only have one input? My guess is it's a way to reward specific miners for their work, but I don't understand why you wouldn't just pay them AFTER their block was solved.
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1025 2014-12-31 17:16:51 <michagogo> tigershark: are you using the descriptors from the version that you're building?
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1027 2014-12-31 17:16:58 <michagogo> I'm guessing not
1028 2014-12-31 17:17:23 <tigershark> michagogo, I believe so, I'll check it out to make sure
1029 2014-12-31 17:17:52 <michagogo> tigershark: pastebin the build.log
1030 2014-12-31 17:18:04 <michagogo> gitian-builder/var/build.log
1031 2014-12-31 17:18:11 <michagogo> brb
1032 2014-12-31 17:19:33 <tigershark> http://pastebin.com/AUjMCZ75
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1041 2014-12-31 17:28:57 <michagogo> tigershark: looks to me like you used the 0.10 (or master?) descriptors
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1043 2014-12-31 17:29:41 <michagogo> But the branch (or tag, or commit, or whatever) that you told it to build doesn't include the depends sysem
1044 2014-12-31 17:29:44 <michagogo> system*
1045 2014-12-31 17:29:53 <michagogo> So, either outdated master or 0.9
1046 2014-12-31 17:30:03 <michagogo> tigershark: What's the gbuild command you used?
1047 2014-12-31 17:31:45 <tigershark> ./bin/gbuild --commit bitcoin=v${VERSION} ../bitcoin/contrib/gitian-descriptors/gitian-linux.yml
1048 2014-12-31 17:32:16 <tigershark> I might have been building with 2 different versions, looks like the building process is different between the 2
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1055 2014-12-31 17:37:43 <michagogo> tigershark: what's VERSION?
1056 2014-12-31 17:38:05 <michagogo> (I mean, what are its contents?)
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1060 2014-12-31 17:39:23 <tigershark> 0.9.3rc2
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1062 2014-12-31 17:40:05 <michagogo> tigershark: there's your problem
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1064 2014-12-31 17:40:27 <michagogo> You're using the 0.10 descriptors (=build script, etc)
1065 2014-12-31 17:40:33 <michagogo> tigershark: Also, why 0.9.3rc2? o_O
1066 2014-12-31 17:40:50 <michagogo> Anyway, to fix it you'll want to do this:
1067 2014-12-31 17:41:07 <michagogo> pushd ../bitcoin && git checkout v$VERSION && popd
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1069 2014-12-31 17:42:15 <tigershark> ah thanks, I'll try that
1070 2014-12-31 17:42:38 <michagogo> tigershark: but why are you building v0.9.3rc2?
1071 2014-12-31 17:42:50 <tigershark> not sure why I'm building on 2 versions, been a long morning :D
1072 2014-12-31 17:43:03 <tigershark> I wanted to build v10 but didn't see it
1073 2014-12-31 17:43:08 <michagogo> tigershark: but why are you building v0.9.3rc2?
1074 2014-12-31 17:43:12 <michagogo> er
1075 2014-12-31 17:43:15 <michagogo> that's v0.10.0rc1
1076 2014-12-31 17:43:23 <michagogo> the latest *release* is v0.9.3
1077 2014-12-31 17:43:28 <tigershark> yeah, I'm trying that right now
1078 2014-12-31 17:43:31 <michagogo> And what do you mean "didn't see it"?
1079 2014-12-31 17:43:45 <tigershark> I did a git fetch and didn't see any tags for v10
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1081 2014-12-31 17:44:01 <tigershark> so I went with the "newest" one, which was obviously wrong
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1083 2014-12-31 17:44:05 <michagogo> And whatever you do, you should be following release-process.md as of whichever tag you're building, with that tag checked out
1084 2014-12-31 17:44:12 <michagogo> tigershark: v0.9.3rc2 isn't the newest one
1085 2014-12-31 17:44:17 <tigershark> gotcha
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1087 2014-12-31 17:44:33 <michagogo> The newest is v0.10.0rc1, the most recent release tag is v0.9.3
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1092 2014-12-31 17:47:12 <StephenM347> Does anyone understand the motivation behind Sergio Lerner's suggestion in the Bitcoin Development mailing list to allow the Coinbase TX to spend UTXOs and remove the restriction that it only have one input? My guess is it's a way to reward specific miners for their work, but I don't understand why you wouldn't just pay them AFTER their block was solved.
1093 2014-12-31 17:47:59 <jcarter9753> BIP-70 Question: The response has no way of saying it has already been paid. For example if someone clicks the button twice.
1094 2014-12-31 17:48:25 <jcarter9753> I have tried setting the amount to zero, however the wallet complains it is 'dust' and presents an error.
1095 2014-12-31 17:48:46 <jcarter9753> I do not want to return a 404 for example as the payment does exist. and I dont think the wallet understands that
1096 2014-12-31 17:49:07 <jcarter9753> I was considering setting the expires time to 'already expired' so that it appears invalid. Does this sound like a sensible approach?
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1098 2014-12-31 17:51:26 <jcarter9753> Yeah that sounds like the best approach, implemented :)
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1101 2014-12-31 17:56:34 <michagogo> StephenM347: no idea
1102 2014-12-31 17:57:14 <michagogo> Only think I could think of was maybe to soft-fork in at some point in the future a rule that says that those inputs aren't released unless something happens
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1107 2014-12-31 17:59:56 <cfields> gdm85: yes, if the sort is busted because the locale doesn't match, better to fix the locale
1108 2014-12-31 18:00:09 <cfields> since that's bound to cause other issues as well
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1180 2014-12-31 19:35:55 <bitcrazy5> anyone in here?
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1188 2014-12-31 19:52:37 <cfields> gmaxwell / robbak: as another interesting data point, a native build on osx using the upstream clang 3.4.2 causes the same problem
1189 2014-12-31 19:52:52 <cfields> now that i can build more easily, i'm going to try to create a small test-case
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1191 2014-12-31 19:58:24 <cfields> well that was easy
1192 2014-12-31 19:58:48 <cfields> robbak: ping me when you're around, if you'd like to try a simple test
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1212 2014-12-31 20:41:40 <go1111111> when trying to build bitcoin core on linux mint 17, using the instructions at /doc/build-unix.md, I got a "Can't exec "aclocal"" error, which I fixed by installing automake. should automake be added to the build requirements? or is my system just weird for not having it?
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1217 2014-12-31 20:48:29 <cfields> go1111111: install autoconf
1218 2014-12-31 20:48:43 <cfields> whoops, bad read on that one
1219 2014-12-31 20:48:52 <cfields> those deps are listed in build-unix already
1220 2014-12-31 20:49:07 <cfields> "build-essential libtool autotools-dev autoconf pkg-config libssl-dev"
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1222 2014-12-31 20:50:38 <go1111111> right -- i'm almost certain i had executed that line exactly already. that's the line i thought perhaps 'automake' should be added to. once bitcoin finishes building i'll be able to check my command history to verify..
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1225 2014-12-31 20:56:29 <cfields> go1111111: possible, though libtool should drag it in
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1308 2014-12-31 22:51:00 <cfields> gmaxwell / robbak: I tracked down the clang problem. built it locally and it passes my tests
1309 2014-12-31 22:51:10 <cfields> building all of bitcoind now to verify
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1311 2014-12-31 22:51:37 <cfields> if it works, i'll see if they're interested in doing a 3.4.3 release
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1314 2014-12-31 22:53:21 <cfields> for reference, the fix was a backport of this: https://github.com/llvm-mirror/clang/commit/c174fe5f125f749eaf5ea7cc41f3cbf049bc5ada
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